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Post by trappnman on Dec 1, 2015 7:44:21 GMT -6
sweet lord- red herring and inaccuracies- say...you a trump supporter?
heres a read- and if you distrust this source- then for heavens sakes google it and 1000s of similar pieces come up- and fyi- the % of refugees that make it all the way through, is under 5%
"The most common argument against taking refugees is that they are potential terrorists. But the facts belie the case. The refugees I have met across the region, fleeing as they are terror and violence, are innocent civilians. And entering the U.S. as a refugee is by far the most difficult and complex of all routes in; refugees are the single most vetted population entering the country.
All those seeking to come as refugees must first be registered by the UN Refugee Agency, which identifies the families most in need. UNHCR screens each family, painstakingly documents their family composition and history of flight from Syria, then refers those who best qualify for the U.S. resettlement program on to the federal government.
The U.S.'s own vetting process then kicks in, with the Department of Homeland Security conducting in-person interviews, gathering detailed biographical and biometric data and conducting multiple background checks that include combing through multiple federal agencies' respective consular, law enforcement, intelligence and national security databases.
Expertly trained officers from the Department of Defense, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and multiple intelligence agencies are involved in vetting refugees before they are approved to travel to America. Further screening is also conducted when refugees arrive in the U.S., after their first year here, and if and when they apply for citizenship.
There are many ways to come to the United States. Comparatively the refugee resettlement program is the most difficult short of swimming the Atlantic."
your fears, are just boogymen-
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Post by bblwi on Dec 1, 2015 14:46:26 GMT -6
I find it interesting that we will refuse to let any enter from a nation due to ethnicity because a few or maybe none may be terrorists yet we let anyone go to a gun show and buy firearms without any checking at all. I know citizenship should and does have privilege but to what extent? It would be interesting to see what percent of the murders in the USA are committed by citizens versus illegals of and for any reason.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 2, 2015 20:30:16 GMT -6
Tman have all the arrivals you want m they can only vet people who have a background to vet for crying out loud. You really think we have the resources to vet each and everyone of 1,000's comming in? Ok............... Bryce maybe a few might be terrorist? Really? Your ok with a few for the better,ent of the rest? US lives put at an increased risk and your stating a few might be terrorist so who cares? wow. Here you go Bryce GAO numbers put homicides by illegals at 25,064 in 2009 the most recent year for data on such. Please read Let’s take homicide as an example. The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates. By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0. Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population. Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher. Read more: www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html#ixzz3tDlJkWZQ Follow us: @americanthinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook
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Post by bblwi on Dec 2, 2015 22:49:46 GMT -6
So you put an end to a few terrorist but have no problems with psychopathic citizens using the loop holes to access firearms. You have bought into the fear approach the right wants us all to believe that swarthy colored humans are bad and if they are Islamic even worse. No doubt there are bad persons in these refugees, not unlike the prisoners that the British sent to North Carolina instead of locking them up in England. You are right on one point we probably have 10-30 million by nature insecure and unstable and lawless people in the USA already. The problem is they are for the most part citizens and we grant them great opportunity to be dangerous to millions more.
Bryce
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Post by James on Dec 3, 2015 4:41:45 GMT -6
I thought we were talking about refugees, and he's suddenly going on about illegal aliens. Is there a connection I'm missing?
Jim
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 3, 2015 6:02:33 GMT -6
Jim, Bryce was wondering and raised the point of how many murders are committed between citizens and illegals all I did was give him the information he was looking for.
Bryce look on a 4473 form and you will see the question about being an alien on there. The point being doesn't matter what type of criminal you are, the majority of them are not going to a store and going thou the process to buy a gun. Illegals would stand very little chance of getting thru the NICS background check system.
I will agree we make it harder on those who serve our country in the military to make a legal gun purchase than many others. They have to bring In papers from their commanding officer showing their actual residence and have their military ID showing the exact matching address as well.
Bryce how do we deal with psychopaths and their procurement of firearms exactly then?
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Post by bblwi on Dec 3, 2015 9:38:36 GMT -6
By your standards, nothing I guess. We just keep dissing those we don't like and hope that I am not in the line of fire.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Dec 3, 2015 16:10:22 GMT -6
no Jim- that's just TC- or rather- of course its not connected- its TC......
Tman have all the arrivals you want m they can only vet people who have a background to vet for crying out loud. You really think we have the resources to vet each and everyone of 1,000's comming in? Ok...............
you simply do not have an iota of knowledge on this.... instead of listening to FAUX- do some basic research
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 3, 2015 19:38:10 GMT -6
I have and anyone telling you all do these people are vetted is well lying to all of us sorry.
Obama is doing one good thing though his anti gun talk has helped this happen in turn he is helping out the economy and gun makers are jumping up and down for sure! Along with all those store selling the guns, plus add ones and ammunition to go along with those guns. America is truly a great country!
More Americans had their backgrounds checked purchasing guns on Black Friday than any day on record, according to data released by the FBI this week.
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System processed 185,345 requests on Nov. 27, one of the largest retail sales days in the country.
"This was an approximate 5% increase over the 175,754 received on Black Friday 2014," wrote Stephen Fischer, the FBI's chief of multimedia productions. "The previous high for receipts were the 177,170 received on 12/21/2012."
Previous spikes for background checks, conducted before a gun buyer can obtain a firearm, occurred after prominent mass shootings, like in December 2012 in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootin
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 3, 2015 19:41:56 GMT -6
Tman this isn't from faux news or Fox News but yes CNN and the FBI in DC about Syrian refugees and vetting of such!
Given the abysmal security situation in Syria and the fact that the United States does not maintain a permanent diplomatic presence in the country, it's sometimes difficult for U.S. authorities to gather the information they need to thoroughly vet a Syrian applicant.
FBI Director James Comey hit on the issue at a congressional hearing last month, when he told lawmakers, "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them."
This particularly comes into play when trying to evaluate an applicant's criminal history.
"In terms of criminal history, we do the best we can with the resources that we have," one senior administration official said.
Another official emphasized that the vetting process is a holistic one, and they try to take a broader view of an applicant with the available information they're about to aggregate and verify.
I guess someone forgot to tell the FBI director on how great our vetting process of Syrian refugees really is LOL.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 3, 2015 19:43:13 GMT -6
2,200 Syrian refugees and counting in our country to date!
S. government data shows that just under 2,200 Syrian refugees have been admitted into the United States since the civil war broke out in March of 2011, and the vast majority of those were in the last year.
The administration has acknowledged that processing resettlement applications is a slow and laborious task, which has kept the United States from accepting as many applicants as it would like to.
But the pace of admissions is growing as the United States commits more resources to the endeavor.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 4, 2015 7:23:07 GMT -6
you read that in same newspaper where mn trappers kill 50,000 coyotes a year? do you know, or understand- that it takes 2 years and more, for the vetting process?
two years.
the real problem is anyone with a EU visa, can travel here- THATS what should be addressed- but so much freaking time is being wasted on stupid, to address the real problem
believe what you want- 50,000 coyotes and refugees under your bed-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2015 6:33:22 GMT -6
Believe what I want? LOL you discounting what the director of the FBI told congressional people in a hearing in DC not long ago about the issue of Syrians and why it is more difficult, yet you continue to tell me no worries they are vetted properly and it takes many years? Who is your direct quote source for such information? Did the head of the FBI or central intelligence come out and say so to the American people?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 5, 2015 8:19:24 GMT -6
50,000 coyotes- and you argued that for weeks-
does your computer not have ANY search features?
for heavens sakes man, do the research and then come back to the table
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 5, 2015 19:36:22 GMT -6
What research, the man in charge of such is telling you and I that the information on many syrian people is nill, along with 2 other top people telling you the system is a joke in all reality when it comes to Syrians.
Your correct though if I look deep enough I can find what ever I want to believe, from sources who have no real world experience in such.
For the record I didn't make the 50,000 coyote reference up............... Your DNR reported the numbers.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 6, 2015 7:16:14 GMT -6
for the record- you argued over and over and over that what the newspaper misprinted was truth-
just as you are now
even after being shown the actual DNR site- not what a newspaper writer printed
disbelieving the truth when shown to you-
just as you are now-
repeating false information-
just as you are now
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 6, 2015 8:08:16 GMT -6
How is a quote from the FBI director false information? Did the FBI director come out and deny he made such a claim? Or is your information comming from a side to protect the current administration? What some fail to relies is in this country their is a growing dislike of this president by many, I know plenty of people who have voted democratic their entire lives that have had their fill with this administration and a few have said I should have voted differently the last time around. Hindsight s always 20/20 I am interested to see how these type of people making such comments today vote in the fall of 2016.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 6, 2015 9:33:57 GMT -6
yes, I know- you hate Obama
the false information- is that you don't have 1 clue on how the vetting system works- yet you continue to rail against it
or even what the real problem is- unrestricted visas-not refugees
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Post by trappnman on Dec 6, 2015 10:01:16 GMT -6
and the biggest problem of all- is the time wasted by those promoting issues or problems that are moot-
every terror attack on US soil by non citizens, has been by those that overstayed their visas.
Refugees are not the problem- never have been, never will be- and to act like its the end of the world, makes zero sense. the vetting process is good, the time is 2 years or more- its NOT a path terrorists take
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Post by RShaw on Dec 6, 2015 12:05:18 GMT -6
Not so in San Bernadino....
An excerpt from a blog about those shootings.
The F.B.I reveals that Farooq went to Pakistan where his wife resided. It would be impossible to know her true identity since thousands of foreigners have illegally obtained Pakistani national IDs including Jihadists from China, the Maldives, Uzbekistan and the United States. Why does the U.S. allow anyone from Pakistan entry to the U.S. boggles the mind.
The system is not only broken, but it is nearly impossible to fix unless profiling and stopping immigration from Muslim countries is established.
While profiling (so they argue) is not 100% fool-proof, it is at least 80-90%, and yes, shootings are common in the U.S., but why do Americans import additional shootings boggles the mind.
As I always say, the West only learns through high-death toll.
If anyone objects to what I said, perhaps they can examine their politically accurate option.
So here it goes. Terrorists can carry more than one passport. A stolen or fake Saudi Arabian passport for example is a prize. Two of the Sept. 11 attackers used stolen Saudi Arabian passports because Saudi Arabia is a friend of the United States and so using their passport makes it easier to get in at the border.
Yet we still allow Saudis (the most notoriously Wahhabist state in the world) an easy entry.
Then there is the problem with fake or re-obtained birth certificates from dead individuals are easily done, then to acquire a passport from these birth certificates is a breeze.
This practice allows terrorists to get legitimate passports, using an alias, which will be basically foolproof at border crossings since such aliases have no database. The birth certificate is such a weak document for certifying identity and if it trumps all the U.S. State Department procedures for verifying birth certificates, since every state is different (the process is not computerized or centralized in any way) how will it be if such birth-certificates are foreign?
Ms. Malik (Farook’s wife) had been traveling with a Pakistani passport which could likely be fraudulent and a K-1 visa, a special visa for fiancés that allows people to come to the country to marry an American citizen (regardless if he is Muslim) gets you a top-notch pretty female Jihadi.
Mr. Farook applied for a permanent resident green card for Ms. Malik on Sept. 30, 2014, within the legal 90-day limit, a federal official said. She was granted a conditional green card in July 2015 and by Christmas season, the Muslim terrorists can ruin the joyful spirit by committing a massacre.
So much for “its the season to be jolly” Allah Allah-la-Hu-Akbar-La.
Unless the U.S. profiles, stops student visas including any entry from countries with high terrorism, the U.S. will witness higher death-tolls. The other option is that even if the U.S. improves the system the largest security services in the world, led by the US and British intelligence services even the Russian have difficulty thwarting the Lone Wolf terrorist method and ISIS now is heavily promoting this agenda on social media on a massive scale.
And for Americans who might think that technology is their specialty, that monitoring information going back and forth is easy, think again. An FBI agent monitoring a Telegram group (which has tens of thousands) requires each agent to participate in a series of discussions intended to vet your beliefs in order to be fully accepted. In other words, in the U.S. terrorism task forces that moved from drug busting into terror bustingnow must be like myself and know Islam inside out.
And its not only knowing Islam, they must know how to conduct such discussion in Arabic and know about various religious edicts to terrorist incidents to specific battles.
Just like the San Bernardino couple, a lone wolf is not only a very ordinary person living in the community as a member, they also behave like them in that they do not have any unusual activity or act suspicious. They are encouraged to cover up any sign of religious affiliation and are encouraged to keep a low-profile in the mosque. They do not belong to any form of criminal or neurotic gang. They are away from the eyes of observers as being a member of a terrorist organization. These are perfect for ISIS’s plan for mass destruction.
Any pre-emptive strikes carried out by the security apparatus is useless in preventing these terrorist attacks, because pre-emptive strikes are usually with groups or formations who are usually caught in the course of planning, preparation, and before implementation, which the act fails before it happens where a city like San Bernardino ends up looking like a war-zone.
The lone wolf plans and attends and performs without dispensing any information. Even the people closest to him, as his wife or his father or his mother are not made aware of his/her plans. He keeps everything in his mind as part of the plan until such time when the bomb is to explode.
Muslim terrorists have the ability to “go dark”. U.S. intelligence agencies are finding it increasingly difficult to track communication among the terrorist organization’s members. Many officials have blamed the group’s adoption of sophisticated encryption software, such as the web browser Tor or the messaging app Telegram, for the inability to identify potential threats. Security now has a tougher job, to avoid being monitored, they’ve shifted to encrypted chatting platforms becoming increasingly careful to secure their communications. A member’s ability to encrypt is an important factor in how the organization values him or her as an operative. As a result, members are learning different tools faster, creating a much bigger problem for intelligence agencies trying to track their communications. Then you have group chats on Telegram that are specifically dedicated to propaganda can have up to 16,000 members, and are growing by the thousands every day.
We have explained before these revelations how this has all the hallmark of an ISIS terror ring and also why it was impossible to detect which will cross the eyes of any seasoned F.B.I agent. We explained all this to police officials On November 13, just prior to the Paris and San Bernardino massacres to no avail as you can see, the District Attorney of New Jersey cancelled all training by “Islamophobes” like myself.
As we learned from you: you can take the horse to the water, but you can’t make him drink.
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