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[bblwi]

So you are saying that many on assistance are working and making low wages. That is far different than most of your posts that state they are too lazy to work at all.
I can tell you never lived in a poverty or near poverty level to understand that a $2.30 an hour raise which is about $4,700 to an average worker would make one H of a difference in their standard of living and in many regions of the US they would receive far less assistance and maybe none in many areas.
As Christians we are told to love and help the poor not demonize them but then we are a very judgmental Christian nation.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Bryce you keep wanting to change what I am saying . Those that are in true need great, I give items to good Sam center and so do my children every Sunday at church. I have no problem helping those that are in NEED, I do have a problem with the wolves in sheep's clothing who could be working and CHOOSE not to because the system allows them such! simple really.

I shop a lot at a place called savers you buy used items and the money made by the donated items goes to help those in need, I get some good deals and help people, I buy my kids clothing, I have bought clothing there as well.

Bryce 10.00 per hr is what we are talking that translates in 20,800 a work year if you think after deductions that will end people getting off public assistance well ok then.......... That is before deductions of any kind.

We used to have a place called harvester stop in a local town did for a period of years giving out free food, many cars would line up hours before the truck came a few problems where, they would block private drive ways and asked multiple times to not park,in front of private drives they did not listen and where told to please move, they gave the volunteers working handing out food all kinds of dirty responses over it, so guess what? they stopped coming to the town.

They now give food to good Sam center and you must talk with them in order to get the food many rely on for NEED, yep I saw others driving new vehicles by new meaning less than 3 years old yukons, Chrysler town and country mini vans, etc all talking playing on cell phones waiting to get there's. Then have the Gaul to use obscenities at the people trying to help them?

these people screwed it up for those in real NEED!

[bblwi]

Your last post referenced that even a raise would not take them off assistance so that is why I made the comment I did. It is not me changing what you say it is you getting lost in your rants about us that did not have the nice clean American pie start in life like you were blessed with and you know what we learned how to work hard to and we never kept track of hours we got it done. My mom worked countless overtime and double shifts as an LPN to raise my younger brothers and sister and I never heard her counting hours.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

I count hours Bryce again your trying to turn things around, not many companies specially those paying min wage offer OT so you figure it at best as a 40 hr week ,many in fact that pay min wage offer PT employment to get around benefits. So I was offering a best case scenario is all.

American pie life? Really? You sound harsh because I had two parents in my life?

Funny my mom started as an LPN at a nursing home for catholic retire sisters, then while working she went on to get her RN and spent 31 years in the nursing field as well. before that she worked in a restaurant as a food prep person 3 -4 hrs a day .

Again you miss my point YES some people need HELP but not All who are receiving it! I know better than that and so do many others.

Doesn't make it all bad or all good just needs to be worked on is all I am saying Bryce.

[bblwi]

I don't need to spin things with you, your extremely capable of handling that task yourself; but thanks for the attempt to keep the focus on other persons statements and beliefs other than your own. You have the necessary skills to be a very good modern day politician, you value money, detest those that don't have it or don't make enough and have developed a good way to always be correct in your own mind no matter what the argument or topic is. Not having an understanding or empathy of others is probably the personality trait that is most needed in a political climate that values self over all other things no matter the cause, or issue.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

I value money If that where the case I would be doing something different in my career sir. good grief.........

I value work ethic and I value teaching that to my kids, no matter how bad things get work and work hard, something that will make you very valuable in the future. I have never said any job I have done is beneath me, like many,many others have said to me and never complained about starting pay or I would pass on the job, yet I heard that all the time when interviewing people.

I have worked in a cemetery, packing house, at a carp factory cleaning carp for a living, security guard at a fancy resort, lawn and landscaping for many years and worked for the Iowa DNR and SD GFP. I used to make gopher bait as well was around strychnine on a daily basis in its raw from mixing up the bait, bagging it and stacking on pallets I was the one and only bait maker. hard and dangerous work but I had people to support so it was a job. I also helped assemble the machines that laid out the bait as well,once I was caught up with bait a making.

The point is not matter the work I took it when I needed it and looked for a better opportunities down the road, they always got a full day from me, I could have sit at home on unemployment , could have filed for public assistance for awhile, never did I do such. the only time I was on unemployment was a seasonal lay off as I still had to report for snow removal for my employer or find another FT job.

I listen to people who complain about being on unemployment and can't find work when many could have jobs but just not what they are looking for. When YOU need to provide you take what you can that will pay as much or more than unemployment does in my book.

So if you call that valuing self so be it..........,...

I have empathy for those that cannot really provide for themselves or family even though they are trying, those that do not try and work the system sorry no I do not...............

[bblwi]

I am going to take myself out of these conversations as I reread of few of mine and I am getting way too mean spirited and I will take my energies and ideas where they make a difference instead of debates with those who don't have interest or value what is being stated.

Bryce

[PamIsMe]

Sorry to hear that Bryce! Every once in awhile conversations do get personal but not often on here. You certainly AREN'T mean spirited :-)

Cheers,
Pam

[James]

Hang around, Bryce. I was secretly on your side in this socio-economic issue. We need government to help and protect the poor, along with the rich who have always found ways to get themselves taken care of.

Somehow the average Joe Republican, the working class, have been duped by the rich into voting against their own interests.

Jim

[trappnman]

starting out as a LPN is hardly starting a family in poverty- even if the wages were "low" they were still higher than most, and I'll flat out guarantee you, she had good benefits

you DO jump around as Bryce states- first its all those scamming the system, and then its a $2 raise means nothing to the working poor.

its a fact nothing bad as you suggested has happen with the past increases in minimum wages- it seems your only reason for being against it, is the GOP is against it

as Bryce says- an extra $3-4000 a year to many families IS a big deal

[trappnman]

Somehow the average Joe Republican, the working class, have been duped by the rich into voting against their own interests.


a separate post for that quote-

because its dead accurate

[trappincoyotes39]

james duped ? really?

many people feel one should not be using a safety net program to support them in their day to day lives unless really needed. WE have more people in this country on public assistance than any other time period in our history. Sure we have had tough times before and some still exists but the numbers do not add up. just look at them.

I have no problem with people in need getting help, I liken it to insurance fraud you have a few that cost the majority far more when they use something that is truly not needed. it happens we all know that, yet we won't discuss it and want to show me as some kind of monster towards the poor

The rich buy votes on both sides that is a fact, and they do so for good reason, to further their agenda. No different than both sides sending money to places in their states for what really and truly? votes because if it where more than votes they would continue on with their work. Tom Daschle was a great one to visit Indian reservations and promise many things and he delivered on some of it, but how much? Now that he has been out of office for what 10 years what has he done back in SD since then for the Indian reservations?

You had Clinton and Obama for 16 years and what true change have they made on Indian reservations or the years the democrats held control of congress? These are yet poorest of the poor. They have been on the federal system for how many years and what real positives have come from it? More importantly what did Hersath Sandlin and Daschle and either of the last two democratic presidents done? if they are truly champions of such where are the results?

This country and the people there need to see it is time to make a major change as the system being used has failed them all and nothing more.

Take a moment to read this article and tell me how joe republican is to blame.

www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/11/28/from-broken-homes-to-a-broken-system/

[trappincoyotes39]

This is from 2002 and more could be posted from the 70's and 80's as well.

'YOU'VE GOT an economy in shambles," complains Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, South Dakota Democrat, whose party is hounding President Bush for neglecting America's poor, disenfranchised, elderly and unemployed.

Well, Daschle certainly knows about economic shambles and neglect. Look at his home state.

Take the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which, along with several others, is being investigated by state and federal authorities because of criminal allegations of massive voter fraud tied to local Democratic operatives.

The Pine Ridge reservation sits in Shannon County, located in the southwest corner of Tom Daschle's state. It is the second-poorest county in the nation, according to the Census Bureau.

The unemployment rate hovers around 80 percent. More than 60 percent of the population lives below the poverty line; per capita income is just under $6,300. The reservation is a magnet for mooches because federal time limits on welfare don't apply.

Here, where cradle-to-grave socialism, the Democrats' fantasy state, is realized, more than half the adults battle addiction and disease. Alcoholism, diabetes and malnutrition are rampant. Life expectancy on the reservation is 48 years for men and 52 for women. That's the shortest for a community anywhere in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to the Wall Street Journal. The infant mortality rate is the U.S.'s highest, about three times the national average.

Former President Clinton waltzed through Pine Ridge on a lip-biting tour with Tom Daschle and then-Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Andrew Cuomo in 1999.

Clinton promised to create "new markets" for the poor and clean up the squalor in Tom Daschle's South Dakota.

But the Democrats' grand scheme for Pine Ridge, which made for glossy brochures and promotional videos, fell short.

Tribal leaders grumbled about being exploited for Democratic political gain. Three years later, Tom Daschle is Senate majority leader - and the 5,000-square-mile reservation still has no banks, motels or movie theaters.

Thirty-nine percent of the homes on the reservation have no electricity. Many lack basic plumbing. Public-housing units are so overcrowded and scarce that many homeless families often take to tents or cars for shelter.

The plight of the Pine Ridge reservation is so infamous that churches in other states solicit donations of used wood-burning stoves to bring to the residents during harsh winters.

Tom Daschle has been in public office in South Dakota since 1978, when he won a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. He served there until 1986, then moved on to the Senate, where he has wielded power for three terms. By all accounts, Daschle owes his Senate seat to Indian voters who helped provide him with a razor-thin edge in his initial Senate bid.

Now, he is leaning on those perpetually impoverished Indians across the state (dead or alive) to keep him in power and protect his protege, Tim Johnson, who is locked in a tight Senate battle with GOP Rep. John Thune.

While his destitute constituents on Pine Ridge huddle around their ovens for heat and drink in despair, Tom Daschle says he can do better for America's economy.

Have you seen what he has done for South Dakota lately? *

Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin is author of "Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores" (Regnery). E-mail [e-mail].

[trappnman]

all the above- RED HERRINGS

[trappincoyotes39]

Red herrings how exactly?

What is the working class republicans interest exactly? They are voting against what exactly?

The statement was made that joe republican is being told the opposite of what the democrats have accomplished correct? or state they have done for the poorest of the poor?

DASCHLE HAS NOT BEEN SEEN MUCH IN SD since he lost his re election bid wonder why? Where is his connections and help for the Indian reservations today?

If it is known that republicans want tot take away things from the poor then where is the proof that the dems are doing what they promise each election cycle ?

My point being both sides make up stories for election or re election then suddenly those people matter less after the elections doesn't matter either side of the isle or Pine ridge should be far better off with all the years of Daschle in power and office.

[trappincoyotes39]

There has never been a larger socialist experiment in the US history than the American Indian reservations period..........,,

[trappnman]

I agree- lets give them back their land

but the reservation was NOT a socialist experiment

[trappincoyotes39]

What is the reservation then? If not a socialist experiment?

Tman what can they do with what they have? What jobs can be created with it? Why is unemployment sitting at 80 percent? We need to answer those questions first and foremost. The lack of a basic education on many of these reservations. Why?

[PamIsMe]

"WE have more people in this country on public assistance than any other time period in our history."

We also have fewer people owning more of the wealth, unlike ever before in history.
Think there could be some sort of correlation there?

Pam

[trappincoyotes39]

Owning the wealth?

In the 30's how many people owned the wealth?