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Post by trappnman on Aug 24, 2014 12:34:53 GMT -6
what we can't store, I don't eat "the rest of the year"
melons? you'd know if you have been here, if not try google
same with apples
narrow? what a load- again, if we aren't FWS, we are "narrow"
pretty "narrow" view, is it not?
I recall that, and I recall pointing out where you were wrong, as with aquaculture.
don't tell me, show me.....
But for me it would be lacking.
but I'm a different me......
we point out time after time, things we dislike about CA- add add in 6.0 quakes as well...but pointing that out, just makes us "narrow"
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Post by trappnman on Aug 24, 2014 12:38:31 GMT -6
whats the big hysterical position that everything not CA, is worthless? (again, I forget Ireland)
I've got multiple other interests besides fishing- I haven't fished in years- why? except for stream trout fishing, a silly sport. I'd rather be riding than fishing- thus, I could care less about fish, OR fishing. or oceans
but you cannot accept others don't find your personal pursuits fullfilling.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 13:44:03 GMT -6
More hyperbole.
Never made that statement, not even close actually. What I have pointed out is the opportunities are better here for what I value.
And yet even more hyperbole that has entered into pure speculation.
Sure I can, and I do, I just prefer hunting and fishing and want the best opportunities to do it.
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 14:13:10 GMT -6
Showing you, from a previous thread, Where you made the claim, Which as I pointed out was incorrect, To which you replied, Right, perhaps you should read further on a lot of things and really consider the points I made and make and realize they are fodder for real discussion, on issues that go much deeper than what you consider. A lot of things have just flown right over your head in your zeal to defend MN and condemn me as some elitist in these threads like you're some Fox News viewer or Glenn Beck listener. Here's a good piece on Canada's commercial walleye fishery, a grad students masters thesis, lots of info, Characterization of the Canadian Commercial Walleye Fishery
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Post by trappnman on Aug 24, 2014 18:04:38 GMT -6
really? the above states "Just don't try to convince me that your aquatic resources are anything even close to that of the oceans."?
wow- CA must have its own school on reading comprehension
What I have pointed out is the opportunities are better here for what I value.
LOL- and what I (we) have pointed out, is CA is NOT the place for the opportunities we valve-
so the correct answer is ok, I get that-
not 20 pages to disprove our OPINION
A lot of things have just flown right over your head in your zeal to defend MN and condemn me as some elitist in these threads like you're some Fox News viewer or Glenn Beck listener.
now you have gone beyond silly
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 18:23:00 GMT -6
I don't see a refutation there, just an evasion. Actually I've made the statement for years that CA has the resources and opportunities I value, you and another just tried to claim yours were as good or better........................ Or dispute your spurious claims. But all you can really offer in this is opinion.................... Nah, choosing to ignore when you're wrong is silly.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 24, 2014 18:39:38 GMT -6
my last word-
MN has more opportunities on things I value, than CA.
your whole debate- has been on how your opinion is right, and others opinions are wrong because they don't agree with you.
for example- TASTE is opinion- but you portray it as fact
my spurious claims as to what? that what I value means more to me than what you value?
I can list for you 10,20, 50 things that MN has either in more abundance, or just has that CA does not-
whats that prove? how is that pertinent to the core debate- where and why we live?
so let my last word just be, yup, I'm silly because my opinion isn't yours.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 24, 2014 18:46:04 GMT -6
CA has the resources and opportunities I value, you and another just tried to claim yours were as good or better........................ ........................ [/font]
yes, our opinions on what matters to us, ARE just as good as yours.
I used to duck hunt 2-3 weeks- and if it would be open for 12 months I'd STILL duck hunt the same- duck hunting isn't my singular pursuit not even in the top 10. I get enough ducks for the freezer, enough ducks on the water...to satisfy me
to not have a 12 month season, isn't opportunity lost..
I suggest you reread the underlined words- nah, why bother.............
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Post by FWS on Aug 24, 2014 19:43:30 GMT -6
A few posts ago you said, 'show me' and I showed you, several posts before that you claimed I couldn't provide you with 1 example of how you use marine resources and I provided you with 1 as requested. Funny how there's not a word on those examples afterwards huh ? There have been many such examples where you demanded an answer, I provided one and you were then silent and skipped on to excoriating me for some imagined slight. I mean seriously, no ancient cultures built on marine resources ? But you don't just offer opinions, more often blanket statements claiming equivalent opportunities or resources. Nor is it my singular pursuit, but it is in my top 10. And I do take advantage of the long seasons, full bag limits, and abundant public hunting opportunities. The dog demands it. And I do go to efforts to find the best uses for them and any species I take for consumption. 10 specklebellies this year !!!! 10!!!! With triple the daily bag limit for possession. They're uncommon in MN, they harvest very few there. But if ya' had em' and ate em' you'd understand my excitement about em'. Same with a wider variety of fish and shellfish, like fresh albacore tuna, if ya' had em' and ate em' you'd understand. Even more so if you caught em' 60 miles offshore with killer whales in attendance.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 25, 2014 4:22:32 GMT -6
FWS the fact remains your statement was longer seasons and bag limits, I know plenty of people that eat snow sausage and many cook Canadians in various ways, I choose not to do much of that so again each to his own. Yet the season lengths and bag limits are very good in SD. Freezing again is a matter of opinion. many people like the cold, the reason they live where they do.
I have NO issues with you fishing the ocean for a million dollars a year or catching crabs etc, just nothing that burns inside me to do so. I did a charter boat deal in myrtle beach once it as ok, but I am a freshwater type of guy again each to his own.
For most consumers you hit the nail on the head, price point will rule any food market in the US, as prices go higher people on avg will look for others sources and the market fills those with that you call junk fish. It will be hard for much of anything to change the king of protein that being poultry as long as it stays where it is at per lb or stays the same percentage cheaper than other sources. If seafood doesn't get cheaper and only more expensive for various reasons it's market share will fall even further.
Good day done on this subject.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 25, 2014 7:12:55 GMT -6
john you do realize, that your answers to my questions, are like a politicians- you never answer the question, you redirect?
They're uncommon in MN, they harvest very few there. But if ya' had em' and ate em' you'd understand my excitement about em'.
and there ya go again..........
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Post by FWS on Aug 26, 2014 15:05:34 GMT -6
As do you.................. Sure, I'm really quite excited by the limit of 10 per day with 30 in possession of specks and Aleutians, and I'm sad that you don't have them, perhaps if you did you would want to hunt waterfowl again. Just consider me an evangelical waterfowler/upland bird hunter/fisherman/home cook. And they'd rather have specks to shoot and eat in the same quatities. Just ask em'.............. Yet you would choose to if you had specks available in numbers and with a generous bag limit. Specklebellies are considered to be the best eating goose of all, and maybe the best eating waterfowl period. I've never said that wild caught seafood would displace chicken in the US................ And we're not having market problems for most of what the independent small coastal community kinda fishermen catch, the prices keep going up because the markets have changed and broadened. The prices being paid to the fishermen for some species would blow your mind.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 27, 2014 8:02:17 GMT -6
just had grilled goose, pintail and canvasback breasts last sat. very good, and the goose almost melted in your mouth. some of those were specklebellies, from out west or Canada, that I don't know, and yes, good.
but the table, is in no way why I go duck hunting. and I love eating duck......but frankly, I have as much fun shooting them with my finger while water trapping (I always drop doubles and triples) good calling and good dog work I agree makes it all better and nothing like seeing a brace come in, cupping their wings into the decoys.
lets boil this down to the basics- for you long seasons and larger bag limits are a big deal, but they are not for me. when I hunted more than trapped, I almost hated to see the seasons come, because from day one to end of season just so much to do, and all of it #1 while doing it and it was go go go.
for a lot of years having beagles, coon hounds and labs- we would start out with bunnies and squirrels- hard to hunt in mid sept, but it was the best chases of the year- easy tracking, etc. then ducks & pheasants, then coon hunting, and grouse, and deer, then a few weeks water trapping and now snow for some serious rabbit and grouse hunting.
the opportunities here, are why people live here- its truly an outdoorsmens paradise- plus 365 open fishing season in the biggest spot on the Mississippi (Lake Pepin), all the backwaters plus some of the best natural trout streams on the country... all within an hour or less from home..... plus in more recent times turkeys out the kazoo. plus the worlds best coon, good mink/rat/beaver populations, good canine numbers and decent enough, plus otter, martin fisher, cats if I want to drive north
and throw in that I can make a summer income trapping- and minor things like being able to hunt specklebellies simply is unimportant, and doesn't even fit into the equation
you keep saying, try it, we would then think like you, most likely isn't true- anymore than if I said come here for 6 months, and you would never leave would be true for you.
ps- have you ever shot a Giant Canada goose? The first edition of The Giant Canada Goose summarized the history and rediscovery of a supposedly extinct subspecies of Canada goose—the locally nesting goose familiar to the early farmers and naturalists of the Midwest and eastern plains. In this edition, Harold C. Hanson brings us up-to-date.
Goose expert Hanson recounted in the first edition what we then knew about the biology of this regional social population of the giant Canada goose, which now numbers over a million as a result of federal and state restoration programs. In fact, in many areas, the nonmigrational population is sufficiently numerous to be regarded as a pest, especially in suburban areas.
In his preface to the first edition, Hanson notes that his study "is not just a review of what is known of a supposed extinct race of Canada geese but is an attempt to summarize our knowledge of a race still moderately abundant in parts of the prairie provinces of Canada and in some areas of the United States."
rediscovered in Rochester....
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 10:32:35 GMT -6
But for me, it is an important component of it, and I'll only shoot those species of waterfowl that are good eating. It works that way with fishing too.
But they also are for many others because they mean increased opportunity, I also like having a 7 month cottontail season, and about 5 months of quail hunting.
They say that about my area as well.
Actually I say try it and you'll lose your prejudice and stop thinking about how unimportant it is. And we're referring to the oceans here.
More like try it for a week or so, enjoy yourself and drag a bunch of frozen fish home to eat while you consider another trip somewhere else for different species. Many, many people do exactly this, there are whole industries built around it.
That's where you get confused, the only way I would recommend 'thinking like me' is to look at other opportunities outside of your sphere, same with foods, that there is a lot more out there.
But when I total up the options I have available to me, add in the fact that I do make good use of them, I look at much of what you fellas list as being unimportant and they never really fit into the equation for me.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 27, 2014 13:46:07 GMT -6
why do I care what you want?
seriously
my point is my life is my life-my choices are my choices and I find your attitude of "being narrow" because we don't embrace your views, or think things important to you are important to us, to be very egocentric.
as Fez says...Good day
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Post by FWS on Aug 27, 2014 14:52:51 GMT -6
And of course you realize that sometimes you, bust often others have been guilty of that for years. In reality a lot of what you want to blow off as 'unimportant' to you is in fact very important to your interests, but since it's 'not your issue' it's easy to dismiss. And I see it as part of the bigger picture, that nobody exists in their own little sphere, uninfluenced by outside forces.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 28, 2014 7:38:54 GMT -6
that nobody exists in their own little sphere, uninfluenced by outside forces.
and no one has stated any different-
the ENTIRE debate, at least on my part, is in response to your multiple posts on how everything anyone else likes or wants, doesn't measure up to YOU, for YOU- and that if anyone disagrees with your choices then we are narrowminded and uninformed.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 10:44:50 GMT -6
Yes they have.................... Which is largely fantasy on your part based on your defensive interpretation. And attributed to me claims I never made and spun off from there.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 28, 2014 10:59:36 GMT -6
that nobody exists in their own little sphere, uninfluenced by outside forces.
and no one has stated any different-
the ENTIRE debate, at least on my part, is in response to your multiple posts on how everything anyone else likes or wants, doesn't measure up to YOU, for YOU- and that if anyone disagrees with your choices then we are narrowminded and uninformed.
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Post by FWS on Aug 28, 2014 11:29:14 GMT -6
You have tried to read far too much into it that wasn't really there.
And missed out on good biological, historical, cultural, and political discussions as a result.
Lot of fodder here.
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