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Post by bblwi on Nov 27, 2013 12:38:19 GMT -6
We had them and they were very popular for decades, such as the KKK, Malcolm X, AIM etc. and due to their tendencies toward violence and disruption they are now marginalized or gone.
Bryce
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 27, 2013 14:46:28 GMT -6
Not talking about those Bryce, there are the black panthers and La Raza and things like that.
I'm talking about political correctness, what kind of a reaction would there be if a Senator started a Congressional white caucus? and what would be wrong with that?
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Post by bblwi on Nov 27, 2013 19:57:44 GMT -6
Why don't you encourage your senators to try that if you feel they are the victums of reverse discrimination?
Bryce
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 27, 2013 21:30:30 GMT -6
I'm just asking your opinion, what would be wrong with a Congressional white caucus?
I don't think they are victims of discrimination, my point is that PC is very similar in it's effect but worse.
I would probably respect a bigot more than someone that relies on PC to advance an agenda.
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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 28, 2013 3:36:29 GMT -6
"I'm just asking your opinion, what would be wrong with a Congressional white caucus?"
Do you really think there hasn't been one for years?
Pam
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 28, 2013 4:43:18 GMT -6
No, do you?
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Post by bblwi on Nov 29, 2013 8:36:52 GMT -6
The fact that PC came to the forefront be it race, creed, religion, ethnicity etc. tells me there was either good reason for it to happen or guilt held by many in the majority to work to correct what was perceived or real. The fact that several find PC either wrong or inappropriate does not and seems not to change what the culture and society are asking for. Democracy is great when it works the way you want it to, but maybe only tolerable when it does not. Acceptance can be a real SOB some times.
Bryce
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 29, 2013 9:24:33 GMT -6
I feel zero guilt about my race and sex.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 29, 2013 18:21:56 GMT -6
Yes and that is good but it does not change what our society wants.
Bryce
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 29, 2013 19:49:34 GMT -6
A portion of our society Bryce. You and I want completely different things. There are people that think like you and there those that think like me.
I would say that the majority of white people in this country are tired of listening to the likes of Jackson and Sharpton.
Most people that I know are fed up with PC as well, regardless of what vehicle it uses for transportation.
Lot of people that won't say it though.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 29, 2013 21:01:53 GMT -6
You assume that I am in favor of PC and all that goes with it and that is a poor assumption on your part. Why is it that if we are not in lock step with all of one's views we are against all? Those are the narrow views that get us this ramped up PC and other issues to begin with. Yes I would say that manly whites are not in favor of what is on going just as blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans and others are as well. We are seeing that PC is mostly just words for those of us that are say over 40 and don't really accomplish much and may be in word only but our younger generation is much more accepting and we will see a much more blended and workable society from a race and ethnicity aspect in the future. We will be sorting and devising ways to label persons in different ways 40-60 years from now as our typical current labels and siloes will be pretty much broken down and that to me is why the next generation will work to resolve gender, economic and racial issues like we have only begun to. Why should one be so dismayed? There are portions of the world that have hated each other for tens of thousands of years. We have made a lot of progress in 200 years and to some extent the rapidity of our cultural change may well be too fast for many of us who like to keep our polorizing and devisive thoughts and ideas. Right now we have a very few that are gaining all the wealth but in a functioning capitalistic democracy that will change over time as it did in the 20th century. Things will never be in complete balance but many very wealthy die or their creativity dies and others move in and the changes do occur. I actually feel the housing bubble bust may have been long term one of the better things for our long term economic growth and wealth building. New families no know that investing and borrowing heavily for residential housing that creates no growth or income is not a good plan for future earnings. They will invest more in productive assets and other forms of retirement and income producing assets as a percentage of total income and that will spur growth over all and decrease the rate of metro spread that utilizes prime real estate for no real productivity.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Nov 30, 2013 3:07:58 GMT -6
"I would say that the majority of white people in this country are tired of listening to the likes of Jackson and Sharpton."
Who listens to them? I certainly don't. I think people are also getting tired of listening to the likes of Limbaugh, Beck et. al. as well. Extremeism either way is just plain gettin' old. I think the politically correct movement is just another way of saying we need to come together. Being pleasant to other is such a small nice thing to do.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 30, 2013 7:45:13 GMT -6
Pam would easier to get along with some give and take. WE haven't seen much of that since the Reagan years. They get in office and claim we are the champions and then we end up with a lot of meses.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 30, 2013 21:56:53 GMT -6
Bryce I wasn't thinking so much about PC as I was socialism. Sorry, I didn't communicate that well.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 1, 2013 1:31:32 GMT -6
TC I don't understand what you meant? Give and take in politics or in our every day lives?
My step-Dad was 96 and in the nursing home the last couple months of his life. One night I was wheeling him down to dinner and a tall, beautiful girl, who had been taking really good care of him, stopped to say Hi and tell him that he would enjoy dinner because it was his favorite meatloaf, then made a joke of some sort and we all laughed. As she walked away, I said she's really a lovely girl. And he said "Yep, not too bad for a N-word. I was mortified. I couldn't help myself and I just laid into him about what great care she'd given him and didn't he realize how badly her feelings would have been hurt if she'd have heard what he said. He did look sheepish and say I probably shouldn't have said that. I understood it was a word he'd used all his life, but he also knew that it would have hurt her. He was just set in his ways.
My daughters wouldn't use the word, and and if they heard it, they will also not be afraid to tell someone they don't appreciate hearing it. My grandchildren may have seldom or never even heard it, they go to school and are friends with with all kinds of kids. They certainly have not heard some of the derrogatory terms used when I was growing up for groups of people, although not from my own parents. I think as one generation starts to leave us and the next become the elders, as they become PC, more words will just disappear from common usage.
I have also noticed derrogatory terms seem to come from men more than women, at least the ones I know. I wonder why that is? Same thing with cussing, why do guys feel the need to talk one way with a group of guys and another at home? At least I could always tell when a guy from work would call our house, the language just changed. lol
Cheers, Pam
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 1, 2013 2:48:52 GMT -6
What's your opinion of the word cracker Pam?
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Post by trappnman on Dec 1, 2013 7:44:55 GMT -6
I agree- naming things 'black caucus" etc should be done away with.
I missed your U turn to socialism, and I just shake my head becasue anyone that thinks about it at all, even for a few seconds, and is honest with himself will see, that socialism is what developed this country over the 200 plus years of its history- and is perhpas the #1 reason that we have had one continous govt during that entire time- something very rare if not singular in the modern world
funny how words are boogymen-
lets call it "the American Spirt of Cooperation"
Ps- real Christianity, is as socialist as you can get. Leaves no doubt about how the term "Sunday Christian" came to be......
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 1, 2013 14:03:02 GMT -6
I live in the midwest, "cracker" doesn't mean anything to me, but if I lived in the south it might. It's just another label that really doesn't need to be used and one that my grandkids will likely never hear.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 1, 2013 15:27:38 GMT -6
Well I have thick skin and don't get crazy over someone calling me a cracker LOL. I don't find it offensive because I have common sense, just like other word they are only words so get over it! I understand the N word and what it meant years and years ago, but when colored people think it is ok to use it because they are black that is where I say what the heck is the difference? There is none if one has common sense so if it is so bad and demeaning why is it common vocabulary amongst many of the colored people in pro sports and music?
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Post by James on Dec 2, 2013 0:11:16 GMT -6
White people are so under-represented that I think we need a white caucus. I'll write my Congress members immediately to demand that one be started.
Jim
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