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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2012 5:58:26 GMT -6
those that think a 3 day waiting period will solve issues like this is wrong. These types of people have nothing but time so a 3 day wait will do nothing for cases like these. Also some may not know, but the delay process is in fact a waiting period, there are certain things they have in the data base that even if your squeaky clean your going to get a delay for. The system is far better than some think it just needs to be tweaked in certain areas.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 18, 2012 8:38:01 GMT -6
I never understood what anybody thought a waiting period would accomplish other than inconvenience millions of people.
Some things like school shootings may not have an internal solution. There are, and always have been people that do that kind of stuff.
Hell if the truth was known the old west was probably just a bunch of disenfranchised gang bangers from the civil war. Talk about sociopaths, what about Indians scalping people and burying them in ant piles.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 18, 2012 14:12:36 GMT -6
what about dinosaurs killing cave people and visa versus?
Whats WRONG with a waiting period? Really? besides a perceived inconvenience?
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Post by cyaukey on Dec 18, 2012 16:20:45 GMT -6
we had a waiting period, now it takes about 2 seconds online. i like the new way better.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 18, 2012 16:29:58 GMT -6
What's RIGHT about a waiting period? Besides creating a perception?
Has it ever been documented to have done any good?
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Dec 18, 2012 20:33:55 GMT -6
"I thought that there is NO cure for sociopaths, i.e. psychopaths. You can't implant a conscience or insert an empathy chip into their brains. Am I wrong?"
It depends on how serious the pathology is. Certainly if you have the pathology you would associate with a serial killer or other career predator, the prognosis is pretty poor. If your talking about more moderate psychopaths, basically antisocial personality disorder with a good dollop of narcissism added in, there is a better prognosis. When the DSM-V comes out, I believe it will have multiple categories under antisocial personality disorder that will differentiate degrees of severity. There are some evidenced based treatments that have been shown to effective with these populations. One I utilize: Moral Reconation (that is spelled correctly) therapy was developed on criminal populations and has proven to have good long term rates of success--if the program is administered with absolute fidelity to what it is supposed to be. It is almost impossible to fake one's way through if it is. Even the very best therapies tend to achieve in the neighborhood of 80% effectiveness based on long term change.
While most competent mental health professionals tend to readily pick up on thought disorders, many don't pick up on some of the higher functioning individuals with personality disorders.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 18, 2012 20:34:28 GMT -6
Exactly the point the MAJORITY of these mass killings is done by people who have nothing but time on their hands. A waiting period isn't going to talk them out of it or make them rethink anything, it will delay the outcome by 3 days more or less ay best and if they have real time management skills they can go in 3-5 days prior and still keep a schedule for doing bad things.
A 3 day wait is another feel good idea. Nothing more or less it won't solve a thing when talking in these terms. 11 states have waiting periods the fed govt does not I'm wondering what good it has done in those states?
When a NICS call is made I can say a certain % of them are delayed by the NICS office. Not all go home with a gun that day. I would say on avg 15-20% get put on a delay.
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Post by mmwb (Andrew Parker) on Dec 18, 2012 20:43:20 GMT -6
Premeditated, preplanned. They are not impulsive acts and more time may actually lend to more of a "rehearsal" period to lend increased confidence and dedication to following through.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 18, 2012 22:37:56 GMT -6
With the amount of guns around any kind of gun control would be futile outside of declaring martial law.
Anti Gun mentality is the same as anti trap mentality. A whole lot of it is just a bunch of busybodies that want to have a reason to meddle in the lives of free people.
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Post by PamIsMe on Dec 19, 2012 1:26:37 GMT -6
"With the amount of guns around any kind of gun control would be futile outside of declaring martial law."
Very true. However the amount of ammo and reloading supplies available could be controlled.
Pam
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Post by James on Dec 19, 2012 2:13:32 GMT -6
Andrew, have you ever seen the film, "A Clockwork Orange"? Ahead of its time, I think.
Jim
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 19, 2012 5:57:02 GMT -6
So pam, how many rounds of ammo can I have?
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 19, 2012 6:10:37 GMT -6
Pam, do you have any idea of the amount of ammo and reloading supplies that have been hoarded.
Lots and lots of guys have several thousand rounds in their homes and elsewhere.
Go to any gun store and the bulk ammo that is for sale is nothing like I've ever seen.
.223 and 7.62 ("assault rifle") ammo are probably the most common rounds. .45, 9mm, (personal defense and war) are common pistol calibers among others.
00 buck for shotguns.
There was a shortage for quite a while right after Obama was elected as people hoarded ammo and components right and left.
No I'd say there is enough ammo in America to shoot the shitt out of things for a long long time.
I don't think Americans would stand for a Government that tried to take there ammunition away.
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Post by trappnman on Dec 19, 2012 8:05:24 GMT -6
anyone that makes this a partisan thing, is .................well, not very well informed
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 19, 2012 10:36:17 GMT -6
I hope I have to eat my words.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Dec 19, 2012 21:43:40 GMT -6
At any given time I have "several" thousand rounds and I dont consider myself a hoarder.
I know guys with tens of thousands. Big deal.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Dec 20, 2012 8:32:32 GMT -6
Agreed, I'll betcha there will be a proposal coming to limit the number of rounds that you can possess. Mark my words.
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Post by Jarhead620 on Dec 20, 2012 17:32:49 GMT -6
Agreed, I'll betcha there will be a proposal coming to limit the number of rounds that you can possess. Mark my words. I'll take that bet for a nominal sum. That would be unenforceable Your paranoia is showing Joel. Larry |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 20, 2012 19:00:37 GMT -6
That is why I reload LOL. Try and count my brass, primers, powder and bullets. Good luck unless your having the ammo cops knock door to door LOL.
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Post by bblwi on Dec 20, 2012 19:17:39 GMT -6
A new tax on firearms and ammo to be specifically used to fund studies and research on USA human behavior and cultural changes over time may well be a trade off for no change in the laws. I am not saying it is good or better but with the gun lobby so adamant regarding ownership and the ability to sell privately to whom I want to when I want to a tax to address non gun issues may be a big bone they would throw or a pill they would swallow.
Bryce
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