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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 23, 2012 7:16:25 GMT -6
17 Zero need to farm coyotes. Yes this was predator control , but one should never need to make an excuse to rid the world of another coyote, as there will always be one to replace it.
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Post by 17Wonk on Feb 23, 2012 8:58:33 GMT -6
So lb your sayin you didn't post this on Feb 11?
"Not really? I have seen my share of 17 caliber DRT although it was a long time ago. The problem with 17 wonks is we must concede everything. All coyotes are DRT and there are no limitations whatsoever, 400 yards; routine stuff. Hello? A bad hit with a 17 and you have a runner. A coyote shot through the hips with a 243 and he dies. Right there."
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 11:32:34 GMT -6
No, I didn't say that I did not write that post. That was a collective reference to all 17 caliber aficionados. They are generally filled with extreme optimism after seeing a few impressive kills at moderate ranges and assume this is the new death ray and it will kill at all distances and every angle and bullet placement. It is a great tool if those people would quit drinking the koolaide over on the dark side. (Coyote Gods) Like Clint once said: A man needs to know his limitations. Same with sub caliber stuff; keep your shots at stationary targets within 150 yards, or so and be thankful if you don't get too many surface blowups and runners.
I included you in the group of 17 wonks who refuse to accept reality, but I did not change your screen name. That was somebody else's' doing.
So, although the question is about fur loads in 243 and now we are arguing sub calibers and their application.....I will tell you something just as off topic as your contribution: I never met a contest hunter that uses any type of 17. I never met a serious night hunter that uses a 17, unless for the stray cat, if he can grab it in time. You have a narrow application, Amigo. Be aware of it and you should be happy. But please don't pound sand up our ass. LB
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Post by JHughes on Feb 23, 2012 11:44:39 GMT -6
Leonard, I think he means that he had never heard the term "17 wonk" before, and when he read it, he liked it so much that he changed is own screen name. But, I'm not sure. If he was implying that YOU updated it for him, then I would take offense too. But I think just one of those hard to read-into things that goes on on the internet sometimes.
Hope you had a good trip. Joel
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 11:46:23 GMT -6
I did something just yesterday, while driving back from TX. I stopped just this side of the AZ border long enough for one stand. I had a coyote come in at the 8 minute mark and she stopped a little over 50 yards from me. I tried to shoot her just behind the shoulder, but I forgot to take off the safety. Just that amount of fumbling and she turned to look at me so I rushed the shot and hit her square through both shoulders. The off side leg was just hanging by a few strips of skin.
So, even old pros screw up and this was only possible because of a 62 grain bullet @ 3810fps. A similar event with a seventeen and you might never find the runner? These things happen, if you spend enough time in the field. Like they say over on the dark side, surgical precision is the key. Don't mess up or you will pay for your mistakes.
And, I have seen my share of dead coyotes poorly shot with a 17. They look worse than your average 243. (not shot by me, BTW.)
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 11:51:41 GMT -6
Joel, I should email you about that trip. Much exploration, sensor wires everywhere, much activity. <sigh>
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Post by JHughes on Feb 23, 2012 14:20:36 GMT -6
Would be interested to hear about it. I hope you had better luck hunting than I did. This year has been absolutley miserable for me. The drought is doing aweful things to the predator (and prey) population here. And wouldn't you know it...on a banner year for bobcat prices. Sucks bad.
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Post by lb on Feb 23, 2012 17:42:08 GMT -6
Yes, the drought had a large effect although it rained pretty good one night.
The oil exploration rigs setting off those propane explosions under that steel plate was mentioned as a possibility. As I said above there was so many orange and black sensor cords laid out, it's hard to estimate but we are talking about a lot of cord. The 4X's and pickups were everywhere and they had the troops actually walking out there with the box devices, whatever the hell they did? We could drive AN HOUR from one ranch to another and it was same old, same old. The coyotes were definitely shy and never saw a cat. Cold calling didn't work, had to locate and work what there was. LB
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Post by JHughes on Feb 23, 2012 19:47:55 GMT -6
Awww...Seismic crews. Bummer.
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Post by 17Wonk on Feb 23, 2012 21:38:41 GMT -6
Leonard, I think he means that he had never heard the term "17 wonk" before, and when he read it, he liked it so much that he changed is own screen name. But, I'm not sure. If he was implying that YOU updated it for him, then I would take offense too. But I think just one of those hard to read-into things that goes on on the internet sometimes. Hope you had a good trip. Joel What he said^^
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Feb 25, 2012 9:08:53 GMT -6
stickbowhunter 2800 fps is about where I'm at on these 95's
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Post by stickbowhntr on Feb 26, 2012 13:17:57 GMT -6
stickbowhunter 2800 fps is about where I'm at on these 95's Thanks will hav eto see what i can do with my .243 Super.Pretty slow by the way it Can SHOOT BUT PROBABLY JUST WHAT I NEED. Not a lot of coyotes to test on here so have to make do.
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Post by jim on Mar 11, 2012 4:55:06 GMT -6
Is there a way to make a cheap target(stacking telephone books) to get an idea of what ammo to use on coyotes? Jim
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Post by stickbowhntr on Mar 11, 2012 6:35:21 GMT -6
One medium does not = another but I have used Phone books [wet] suspended by a thin rail [with the phonebook hung over and split by the rod so it hangs and at least you can compare several bullets to each other as subjective to an animal.
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7oaks
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Post by 7oaks on Dec 10, 2012 20:55:33 GMT -6
Anyone ever try the reduced loads from the Speer data?
18 gr IMR4198 pushing a 80 gr spitzer OR 19 gr IMR4198 and a 90 grainer
These are the MAX loads listed, so start a couple grains lower, especially for accuracy sake.
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