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Post by Bristleback on Sept 13, 2006 9:04:19 GMT -6
Andy,no argument taken........ Edge, we're in total agreement on "huntin" guns......camo them up, dull them up to take the shine off and let's go huntin'...
I'll get the ballistics from the guy and we can compare it to the standard 6mm. I fully understand : why buy a Corvette and push it around the block...lol...
Couple reasons, having this built, it's very affordable for a somewhat "custom".......keep in mind I owned the 25-06, I'll have roughly less than $1000 in the gun, not counting the original gun and glass.........Secondly, I was so DANGED impressed with the groups this was producing........all 3 guns. Thirdly, I'll be shooting things other than coyotes........
Let's just say this turns out to be a barrel burner......say 450 rounds....lets say you burn the first 100 getting that "sweet recipe"......NOW YOU got a shooter........350 rounds left.......all the confidence in the world that if the shooter does his/her part behind the trigger ...you have collected.......how many critters....50% is 175 critters, 60% 210, 75% 262.5 critters....80% 280.......I'll stop there,......Understand I'M not using this to blaze away at a prarie dog town......... 350 rounds would last some.........many years, possibly a lifetime others.....not so long. If it does what I hope and has in the previous guns, I'll be very happy..........burns up/opens up......rebuild or look at the 6mm or 240 Weatherby, who knows, this is my first dance with something other than standard out of the box caliber.....we'll see how it performs. FWIW, it will be a 26" and a medium weight target barrel.....non fluted......I like a bit of weight in my rifles, love to see the "hit" too....... What are your opinions on fluting.....good, bad, effects + -, worthwhile........just curious, I have both in other guns, just curious. DK
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Post by andy1 on Sept 13, 2006 9:12:01 GMT -6
Hey, Im sure not one to throw rocks at spending money just because I want one or was impressed. Im world famous for that. ;D I never let bbl life concern me too much either. As long as I know going in that it is what it is. What does get me is buying a used gun in good condition to find out the bbl is already shot out or other problems the owner knew about. Thats a whole nuther topic.
Hope it works good for ya.
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Post by lb on Sept 13, 2006 9:48:56 GMT -6
Well, I know, and appreciate the "allure" of a custom rig. When you are buying a dream, there are no flies on that baby. When all is said and done, you have to learn your own lessons in life.
Addressing accuracy potential. There is a small handful of inherently accurate cartridges, like the 22PPC. For everything else, it is a pretty much level playing field with bedding being important, and THE BARREL being the most important factor. Good accurate barrels do not grow on trees, regardless of the chambering.
If you see a particularly accurate rifle in action, like (say) a 6/284, it is likely that the actual cartridge has little to do with the observed results. Same old drill. It's the shooter, the trigger, the bedding job, AN ACCURATE BARREL and the cartridge design is least important....as long as it is a recognized accuracy caliber, such as 22, 24, 6.5, 7mm, 30, etc. Those are the calibers that win various matches, and there are accurate bullets available for those calibers. You cannot swim upstream for very long, an intelligent pick goes a long way.
Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 13, 2006 10:13:30 GMT -6
LB, what you stated are certainly factors in me choosing this: the bedding, trigger, accurate barrel.......of which this particular gunsmith has duplicated over and over and over, this I've witnessed, which had a GREAT deal of allure to me.
The shooter has to do his part..........obviously.
Leonard, what would you recommend in this instance?
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Post by lb on Sept 13, 2006 11:01:54 GMT -6
Well, puts me on the spot, donut?
In 24 caliber, there are many satisfied customers shooting 243 Ackley Improved. It's a real good design, efficient, accurate. Somewhat better than the 6/284, as to barrel life.
Capacity, in a magazine rifle, is one more than a 6/284, which has the Magnum case diameter. The 40ยบ shoulder of the Ackley allows higher working pressures, almost never need to trim necks to length. About the ONLY negative, as with all Ackley's, is you MAY need some feed rail work? It wouldn'r deter me, but you can't ignore the possibility.
Some people think 243AI is a more efficient cartridge design than the 6/284; a little more practical. Some people think that fireforming is a drawback, but the cartridge shoots hot fireforming loads quite well.
In other words, you can hunt while fireforming and still see superior performance. So, that particular argument is less convincing.
Also, it's an exotic chambering, much like 6/284, but should realize better barrel life, less case capacity, but nearly rivals in performance.
There are a lot of choices out there. I hope I'm not confusing you too much?
Good hunting. LB
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 13, 2006 11:23:21 GMT -6
I had considered AI my 22-250 and or my 25-06........never did.......it's funny.....you bring it up and get the "well if you're going to do that, then why not buy XYZ".....LOL
Appreciate your input, I just need to buy some more guns....LOL
Are you a fan of the Rem actions? Another preference?
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Post by lb on Sept 13, 2006 11:33:14 GMT -6
Yes, a 700 action makes an excellent platform for a custom rig. Hard to beat.
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Post by andy1 on Sept 13, 2006 12:10:40 GMT -6
The fella that builds my stuff for me wont let any hot wildcats out the door that arent built on either a 700 or mauser action. FWIW
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Post by Wright Brothers on Sept 13, 2006 12:24:20 GMT -6
Smiths say Mauser and Rem around here too. May be others but these two seem the most common.
Can I ask a question while you guys are looking?
How about cast gas checked bullets for fur? Will tragectory suffer? My one old load book lists them for all cartridges, and I always wanted an excuse to try some in my 270 Win. The barrel is about whooped in that rifle anyhow. Thanks.
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Post by edge on Sept 13, 2006 21:03:46 GMT -6
Good posts guys.........but if you get any more technical you;re gonna have to footnote.......
Talked to a shooting buddy of mine today in MI,to verify some info.I had remembered him talking about a bolt gun tagging a 4" group at 380 yds,22-250,out of the box. I remembered thinking that if it was anyone other than HIM saying it,my BS meter would be pegged. Savage.Not a bottom of the line one,but not an elite pricetag either............Hmmmmm.
While I am not quite ready for my first custom gun,I'm enjoying reading about yours.........
Edge
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 14, 2006 20:58:40 GMT -6
Gunsmith called this afternoon, he received my barrel yesterday from Kreiger and is ready for my stock.
Hope no one is looking for a Remington 700 BDL stock from any of the stock makers......been told by 2 of the majors it will be from 16-20 weeks.......which I've been told can mean 16-........weeks. Been working my around this issue, grrrrrrrr
For such an exotic as a Remington 700 BDL, I should have ordered the stock first, like 3 months before the barrel, LOL
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Post by edge on Sept 14, 2006 22:25:25 GMT -6
**For such an exotic as a Remington 700 BDL, **
Ahh,yes,the rare and elusive 700........it is possible I am the only person on the planet who doesnt own one......and maybe I *DO*...I have a LOT of stuff in storage,LOL!
Good luck on the plan coming together.
Edge
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 15, 2006 8:14:59 GMT -6
I've talked with McMillan, HS Precision. MY BAD, I just never imagined finding a stock for the rare Rem 700 would be a challenge.
Kind of like trying to find a pan for a Victor 1 1/2 coil spring.....LOL
I very much understand having to wait on a barrel.
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Post by lb on Sept 15, 2006 11:47:32 GMT -6
Sixteen weeks. Yeah, a long wait, but don't forget, that's just as custom as the barrel. You can order your short or long action with a solid fill, foam filled or hollow, depending on your weight qualifications, if you intend to enter shoots, hunter class, for instance.
I have a 21 pounder that was originally hollow, where upon, I filled it with #9 shot. You are lucky, (and smart) that you chose a 700. The rest of the oddballs, they toss in the corner until they get enough for a run. In other words, a longer wait.
Consider having them install Pachmyer flush Tee swivels and an adjustable Morgan pad. That makes for a first class rig, in my book.
Good hunting. LB
PS these projects usually take about a year, before you actually get to use it.
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 15, 2006 13:19:43 GMT -6
I understand the barrel taking 16+ weeks, but a stock.....really?? For a Rem 700?
This is strictly a fur and hair gun........once we're happy with the what the paper says.
Anyone ever use a trigger shoe? What kind of poundage do you like to have your trigger set on for hunting.
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Post by lb on Sept 15, 2006 14:14:38 GMT -6
Okay, look.
You have forms, molds and fibreglass and resin to lay in and cure, sand and usually a custom paint job, install accessories, etc. That means several totally different steps in the process. Messy job=days.
On the other hand, you get your barrel blank and chuck it up, indicate it twice; cut threads, chamber reamers, finish muzzle. Bead blast or polish.
That whole process can be done in less than two hours. The only delay is in acquiring the barrel blank in the proper contour with the correct size hole in the desired twist. (all ready to go, stock items, by the way) ie: you can get one overnight.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 15, 2006 15:10:42 GMT -6
To most, I'm guessing a Remington 700 is about as common as a F-150.......say you hit a bird, crack your grill and need a replacement.........."ohhhh sir that will be 16-25 weeks"
I understand the process.
My point is, I'm surprised that these are not an "in stock" item.....even if it's just your basic black with aluminum block.....that's all.
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Post by lb on Sept 15, 2006 15:23:15 GMT -6
I understand the process. <sigh> it seems like you don't? I give up. LB
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Post by Bristleback on Sept 15, 2006 17:57:56 GMT -6
LOL
Leonard, so one breaks a windshield in their F-150= so one wants a stock for their Rem 700 ......seriously whats the difference...both require several steps in their production process....both are "common items"....how many thousands(conservatively speaking) in circulation.
I relate it to size Men's size 10-11 boots, Men's size XL, 22LR ammo, ......those are the things you just should have in stock......the basics. Having been in the "business" for several years, I can speak from experience.......if we don't agree on this subject, then we can agree to "not agree" LOL, thanks and take care.
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Post by andy1 on Sept 15, 2006 22:01:45 GMT -6
Bristleback, This fella on this link is a friend of mine here local. Not trying to sell you anything, but if I ever decide to spend the bucks to have me a true custom made, I think Ill have Errol make my stock. Check out his work.... www.casecustomgunstocks.com/Andy
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