Remingtons New HD Shotshells

[FWS]

These might be even a little better than Hev-Shot. I see a couple pretty good predator loads in this like the 12 ga. 3" 1 3/4 oz. BB load. Now id the SOB's would only sell the shot so I can load my own.

Wingmaster HD.™ DROP-DEAD BETTER.

www.remington.com/products/ammunition/shotshell/wingmaster_HD.asp

The Company That Redefined Lethal Shotgun Range with Premier® Hevi•Shot®, Now Unveils the Next Generation in Heavy Density Waterfowl Loads.
This new heavy-hitter effectively stretches the kill zone with an ultra-tuned combination of pattern uniformity, higher density, high pellet count and choke responsiveness. It's the most deadly lead alternative to ever hit the flyway - putting a greater number of pellets on game at longer ranges, with equal pellet energy and deeper penetration than any other similar density non-toxic material.

Wingmaster HD's smooth, perfectly round shot pellets are more aerodynamic than other lead alternatives. They are uniform in pellet-to-pellet weight and are true to listed shot size.

Other non-toxic shot pellets cannot match up.

At a density of 12.0 grams/cc, Wingmaster HD's non-toxic tungsten/bronze/iron composition is 10% denser than lead and a whopping 56% denser than steel, which dramatically enhances per-pellet energy and extended-range penetration.

Wingmaster HD’s round, smooth, consistently sized pellets are key to increasing effective range and pattern density. At ranges beyond 40 yards, it proved superior to all tested waterfowl lead alternatives in combined pattern density and penetration.

Approved by the USF&W and Canada, Wingmaster HD pellets have a 10% higher density than lead and an amazing 56% greater density than steel. Ideal density of 12.0 g/cc yields the best combination of par-pellet energy and effective performance. You can drop down three shot sized vs. steel and achieve higher on-game pellet count while delivering increased penetration.

[Wiley]

Thanks for sharing that FWS!


~SH~

[lb]

I tend to think they are missing the boat. Sounds more like waterfowl shot sizes? Is it too much to ask for something closer to #4 buck or TT in Hevi shot or some exotic alloy? Maybe there is, I have not heard about it? Until then, I think I will stick to #4 lead buckshot at half the price. LB

[richc]

My thoughts are somewhat similar to Leonard's. If the new Remington shot is 10 percent denser than lead, I have to wonder why they only put 1&3/4 ounces of shot in a three inch twelve gauge hull. I am somewhat dismayed in seeing that Winchester and Federal have dropped my favorite shotgun loads from their line. Not enough shotgun toting coyote men out there for the big ammo company's to cater to us that much I suppose.

[FWS]

Is it too much to ask for something closer to #4 buck or TT in Hevi shot or some exotic alloy? Maybe there is, I have not heard about it?

My bet is that Remington will have buckshot loads in the future and probably something simliar to the 'Dead Coyote' load.

There are too many 'other' uses for tight patterning high density large shot for them not to.

[richc]

I don't really believe we will ever see a ten or twelve gauge load/choke combo that will be a reliable coyote killer at a distance of 100 yards. The pellets would be so far apart at that range that a coyote could run between em. Sixty or seventy yards maybe.

[trappincoyotes39]

woody have you ever used dead coyote loads? they are impressive, not 100 yrd round but 65 yrds for sure! Also people have been sky busting waterfowl for along time a shot load has nothing to do with this practice, heavy shot retains more energy than steel the main culprit due to the lead issue many years ago.

In fact I would say the average hunter would do less sky busting due to the cost of the loads, I know if I where an avid waterfowl hunter at 1.oo something a round I would be selective for sure. Heavy shot is much better than steel

[jrbhunter]

woody said:

Personally, I wish they would get off the hevi shot band wagon and make waterfowlers and hunters take distance judging course so they can start shooting at game with in the effective killing range of a shotgun that isn't throwing a slug.

More regulation and requirements is not always the answer. Actually, in my opinion, it rarely is.

100 yards is a scary thought for shotguns... I saw a guy on TV last week shooting Mexican coyotes at 70-80 with a 12 gauge and he never lost a single one. Wonder how many limped away in the editing?

[richc]

jrbhunter,
Was that the four legged coyotey's?

[lb]

Even at 80 yards, that's about twice the distance I would shoot a coyote, with any twelve gauge, any load, thank you. This throwing around numbers like 70-80-100 yards, is a lot like killing a coyote with a 22 rimfire. Sure, it has been done, but so what? That doesn't mean that the casual reader should take that information to the bank, and thereafter, defend his sorry conclusions to folks that know better, to the end of time. It's real hard to stomp out bad advice.

Good hunting. LB

[richc]

"It's real hard to stomp out bad advice."
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Now that is the gosh awful truth.

[markymark]

Truth about Hevi shot is it kills. I patterned hevishot out of some of my guns and at 65 yards this was inpreganted in a highway sign. In the duck blind I have banged ducks out to 70 yards easy.

I am also very into live pigeon shooting AKA Boxbird, Flyers. I brought a 20 rounds with me to a pigeon shoot a little while ago and was crushing birds at the 50 yard peg all day.

One thing I also found out from patterning it doesn't like full choke, this was done with 6 different guns. Once I opened the choke up to a mod or about 35thou it was tossing full choked patterns. Where I got the best patterns was from the 20ga loads 7/8th oz payloads. It's shines on ducks and geese and I wouldn't shoot anything else until something better comes along.

[stickbowhntr]

can anybody tell me who's stocking any of these? I am looking for 12Ga 3" in BB ?

[FWS]

Cabelas has it, but it ain't cheap.

www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/standard-pod-wrapped.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat602007-cat20841&rid=&indexId=cat20841&navAction=pop&masterpathid=&navCount=5&parentType=index&parentId=cat20841&id=0041022

[akona20]

This good news. I need all the help I can get with a shottie and bird on the wing.

Yotes at a 100 yards with a shotgun, sure no problems. lol.

[trappincoyotes39]

3.00+ a pop I just don't know why this is so high? I also inquired with Hevi Shot as the dead coyote loads went up this year in price to 2.89 a pop. They say material cost have went up. The market will be limited until they can get there cost down. Also hevi shot offers now 4 buck in there loads as well.

[richc]

Here are a few of my own thoughts concerning the various tungston mixture offerings. This new tungston mixture is heavier than lead, which means less pellets per ounce. The makers of this fodder are loading less weight of shot, which means even less pellets. This means if we stay with BB shot, we are going to get pellets that are heavier but quite a few less BB's per shot. Now since the pellets are heavier, we can go two or three sizes smaller in shot size. (so says the makers). To me, this means that I should be looking for smaller shot if I am going to shoot tungston/iron. Maybe #2 shot would make a better coyote load than T shot, like you find in"dead coyote". Just food for thought.

[Freak( Jim V.)]

Was thinking same thing. Bought 3 boxes of 6s yesterday to try out for fox. I dont see a problem. Have 5 boxes of the 4s and gonn get a couple of the Dead Coyotes to pattern and play with. This is the old Hevi-shot. Got em for $22 a box so bought em up.
I have an 870 with a 28 inch barrel and the hevi-shot choke that I have used for quite a while. It likes the hevi-shot 5s in a 3inch. Longest shot was a fox at 50 yards. Broke all 4 legs.
Bought a Mossberg "Turkey Tactical" yesterday with a 22 inch barrel for playing with this year. A truck gun. But it handle the 3.5 loads. Now I gotta figure out what choke for the Ts and 2s. Came with a .695 , but remember reading somewhere that Browning choke tubes fit in mossbergs? Have quite a few Browning turkey tubes , so hopefully will save some expense.
With the dead coyote loads , what about an improved modified tube?

[trappincoyotes39]

Freak my remington likes the mod choke for dead coyote and patterns well.

There are 51 pellets in T shot size in a 3" dead coyote load at 50 yrds and the right choke you get 28-33 pellets in a 10" circle. At 40 yrds around 40 pellets in that 10" circle. Those larger pellets I feel will anchor a coyote better than say 2 or 3 size shot having more retained energy. 1300fps in 1 1/2oz load. I don't think I need more than 28 of those pellets hitting a coyote? At 65 yrds you still have 15- 17 pellets inside that 10" circle. Remember those are .20 cal pellets knocking that coyote.

Freak watch the older ones as I have had them in my gun bouncing around in the magazine and have knocked the stuffing out of them. The old ones have a poor crimp and if left bouncing around the buffering gets knocked out of them and you can hear the shot rattle.

[FWS]

They say material cost have went up.

Yup,

www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=9691

Interesting that the Chinese supply 85% of the world consumption of tungsten but are no longer exporting the raw material and they are focusing on finished products.

So how bout' some Chinese Hevi-Shot knockoff I can buy by the 25lb. bag for cheap and load my own.

I bought Hevi-Shot in 7lb jars when it first came out and it was around $60, now it's $130.