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204
Mar 27, 2006 20:01:09 GMT -6
Post by braveheart on Mar 27, 2006 20:01:09 GMT -6
Has anyone been shooting the 204 much?And how does it perform very well.Does it punch any big holes in the fur?
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204
Mar 28, 2006 10:12:50 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Mar 28, 2006 10:12:50 GMT -6
I am using a 20 super wolfer which is a 22-250 Ackley Improved with a 40 degree shoulder necked down to a 204 caliber. Saving fur is not an issue with me and a good thing as I am shooting a 50 grain Berger with a BAC of .296 at 4100 fps and it on most occasions will put a dandy hole in a coyote and that is what I want.
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204
Mar 29, 2006 9:31:50 GMT -6
Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Mar 29, 2006 9:31:50 GMT -6
I shot one cat so far with it , not bad from that one on a thinskin. Shot several ground pigs with same results. Minimal damage. Was using the 40 gr Vmax at around 3800 fps and went for heart/lung area. Would shy away from solid bone hits(ie: head, shoulders) due to fragmentation causing severe fur damage.
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204
Apr 1, 2006 12:06:41 GMT -6
Post by MRussell on Apr 1, 2006 12:06:41 GMT -6
Nvwolfer That sounds like a pretty explosive set up you have. I to like gaping holes just not in furbearers. ;D
Crows Ground hogs and such i shoot ballistic tips only.
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204
Apr 1, 2006 12:30:40 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 1, 2006 12:30:40 GMT -6
I don't want anymore wind drift than needed and thats why a 204 to me isn't practical. I shoot a 22-250 53 gr a-max at 3900 fps and leave big holes as well. I am thinking of going back to a .25 cal with 100 gr bullets to get even better performance with wind and shots out to 350+ yrds. Fur damage is not a consideration for me, and I used to shoot a 25-06 with 100 gr bal tips and I had little in the way of runner coyotes ;D
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204
Apr 1, 2006 13:43:07 GMT -6
Post by jrbhunter on Apr 1, 2006 13:43:07 GMT -6
Not a big fan of the .204.... just not enough punch there unless you are good with shot placement. I like a rifle that drops coyotes, not one that pierces lungs and marks the beginning of a bloodtrail for me.
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204
Apr 1, 2006 14:50:27 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 1, 2006 14:50:27 GMT -6
trappincoytes 37 I'm sure you know a lot more about this stuff than I ever dreamed of but if you have a balllistic program compare the 50 grain Berger at 4100 fps with a bac of .296 with your 53 gran v-max and you will see that the 50 grain Berger out performs it. Also you would be shocked at how little wind deflection there is.
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204
Apr 1, 2006 16:35:51 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 1, 2006 16:35:51 GMT -6
I don't have a program for berger I have loading manuals, what is your wind drift with this load at 300,400, and 500 yrds with your setup at 10MPH cross wind? Have you checked it out I mean? I would like to see how it compairs? I know of a 2 guys that shoot 6mm ackley improved and they are awsome shots.
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204
Apr 1, 2006 19:19:07 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 1, 2006 19:19:07 GMT -6
10 mph cross wind the deflection: 300 yards 5.07 inches 400 yards 9.43 inches 500 yards 15.44 inches I bet one of those good shots with the 6 mm Ackley is old dead eyed Junior Sterling
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204
Apr 1, 2006 21:19:28 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 1, 2006 21:19:28 GMT -6
YEP ;D. WOW that is far better than my amax round for sure! Better than even a 25 cal in 100 gr as well. I may have to look into berger bullets!
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204
Apr 1, 2006 22:30:51 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 1, 2006 22:30:51 GMT -6
It's the high bc on that 50 grain bullet is why it performs so well. If you think about it it is only 3 grains lighter than the bullet you are shooting and it is .022 thinner than the bullet you are shooting and exiting the barrel a couple hundred feet per second faster but even at the same speed the thinner bullet will out perform because fo the higher bc. There is more and more 20 caliber bullets coming out all the time and the heavier wieght bullets are gosh darn flat shooting hard hitting sons of guns. If you get a chance to use one of the computer balllistic programs it is a great way of comparing calibers and bullet weights. The first time I used one the biggest thing I learned was how very little I knew about ballistics and it is a valuable tool now and a great learning tool.
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204
Apr 2, 2006 8:08:18 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 2, 2006 8:08:18 GMT -6
By BC you mean ballistic coefficient correct? I know when I used nosler bal tips in my 25/06 they were a good bullet and the BC in the reloading manual was decent as well.
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204
Apr 2, 2006 11:45:17 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 2, 2006 11:45:17 GMT -6
That's right. Basically the higher the ballistic coefficent the better the bullet will perform and it doesn't make any difference if it is a Berger or some other companies bullet. The reason I am using the Berger 50 grain bullet is that right now they are the only company making a 50 grain 20 caliber bullet. I am hoping that Nosler will come out with a 50 grain ballistic tip which will have a higher bc than the Berger because of the aerialdynamic polymer tip. I couldn't recommend a ballistics program enough. Sierra has one that is around $25 to $30.00 and all you need to know is caliber, bc and bullet speed and that program will tell you everything you would ever need to know and more. It will give you a ballistic chart and a graph. It will tell you how many clicks to make at any distance you want for both bullet drop and wind deflection. You can put more information in for more precise ballistics, like air temp, altitude and other enviromental factors that make a difference if you were a bench rest shooters but for us guys knocking down coyotes all you need to put in is the 3 items I mentioned. Talk to Junior I'm sure he uses a ballistics program.
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204
Apr 2, 2006 18:43:52 GMT -6
Post by lb on Apr 2, 2006 18:43:52 GMT -6
That's a pretty hot load you got there, Trevor. What's it called?
I use a special run, Starke 96.5 grain in my 25'06AI. Chronos a little over 3650fps from a 28.5" barrel. I don't know if or when, I'll reach 900 rounds? Hunting at night, I only use it for fairly long shots; sighted in at 430 yards. I hardly ever risk a 600 yard shot, too much walking and searching.
Good hunting. LB
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204
Apr 2, 2006 19:19:06 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 2, 2006 19:19:06 GMT -6
Please tell me what caliber that shoots a 100 grain bullet at 4100 fps?
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204
Apr 2, 2006 21:20:01 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 2, 2006 21:20:01 GMT -6
By Golly, You've came up with quite a cartridge there, please let me know what it is and I will call my gun smith in the morning and have him build one for me as you are about 400 fps faster than any cartridge with that bullet wieght that I have ever heard of . Also that is quite a 100 grain 25 caliber bullet with a bc of .450 as the highest bc that I could locate for that bullet was .393 and that is a nosler ballistic tip and with that polymer tip it is very tough to beat their bc.
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204
Apr 3, 2006 7:41:18 GMT -6
Post by Wiley on Apr 3, 2006 7:41:18 GMT -6
Trevor,
What caliber will shoot a 100gr. bullet at 4100fps?
What's the barrel life like? One round?
Don't hang up the phone here Trevor, let us in on this great caliber of yours.
~SH~
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204
Apr 3, 2006 15:48:33 GMT -6
Post by hdwolfer on Apr 3, 2006 15:48:33 GMT -6
Trevor, let me know who your gunsmith is and I will have one built, too.
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204
Apr 3, 2006 19:40:02 GMT -6
Post by Cal Taylor on Apr 3, 2006 19:40:02 GMT -6
My guess would be a 25 STW. But I'm not sure if thats the hotrod or not. Just a guess. I know that Lex Webernick at Rifles Inc. builds quite a few of them.
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204
Apr 3, 2006 20:04:54 GMT -6
Post by nvwolfer on Apr 3, 2006 20:04:54 GMT -6
The highest velocity for a 100 grain 25 caliber bullet that I could find is the 257 Weatherby Magnum and the top velocity was 3602 fps which is a gosh darn good speed with that heavy a bullet but still 498 fps slower that Trevor's screamer.
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