|
Post by snakebit on Apr 1, 2008 11:36:29 GMT -6
how many of you use them, and will they get me a few more yotes. I had my first coyote jack one of my stakes and get away with a MB 650.
|
|
|
Post by Stef on Apr 1, 2008 12:01:58 GMT -6
it sure does help for everything when running longer chain set-up. I have shock springs on all my coyote traps.
|
|
|
Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 12:05:21 GMT -6
I`m a short chainer, so for me they ( shock absorber)are a waste of time and money and effort. I cross stake everything, so never a pumped stake no matter what. had a few chains break, swivels fail etc over the years, but never a jacked cross stake. one of my pet peeves.
|
|
|
Post by Stef on Apr 1, 2008 12:24:20 GMT -6
Might be another avenue or cheap investment for you Bob for getting some extra KS cat pelts if you would start using some on your traps
|
|
|
Post by snakebit on Apr 1, 2008 12:29:10 GMT -6
Bob can you describe the hardware you use while cross staking. I will be working in a river bottom cropland area(deep top soil) next week and thought I better cross stake or risk losing somemore traps
|
|
|
Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 12:47:35 GMT -6
a ring or lap link on the end of the chain large enough to drive 2 stakes thru. drive each one at an angle, like an "X",. steff my cat lossees aren`t from a cat powering out on a big lunge, they are from a poopy hold, i.e. tip of pad or debris between jaws, stuff that has nothing to do with shock springs. lol, I think!
|
|
|
Post by snakebit on Apr 1, 2008 12:48:05 GMT -6
I had odered some double stake swivels and quick links yesterday I was just wondering if this is how you did it.
|
|
|
Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Apr 1, 2008 12:54:50 GMT -6
I think cats get out when they get the trap immobilized where they can get a good purchase.
They'll pull stakes if under a tree or cliff where they can pull straight up.
Joel
|
|
|
Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 13:42:49 GMT -6
I had to quit the berkshire cross stake rigs as too many broke in half with repeated use, now use all big laplinks.
|
|
|
Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Apr 1, 2008 13:52:34 GMT -6
most disposable stake set ups will eliminate the need for cross staking......unless your likr bob and want to pound those rebar stakes in and own them for a life time.....but for me disposables are way easier and more time friendly
|
|
|
Post by thebeav2 on Apr 1, 2008 14:02:54 GMT -6
I use all earth anchors and short chains set ups I see no need for a shock spring. If I need to cross stake i can cross stake with earth anchors.
|
|
|
Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 14:49:09 GMT -6
the difference is alot of you set maybe 100 sets a year, or less. very few set several thousand sets a year. then leaving a 50cent rig behnd does indeed become a $ factor. it`s a weight saver, but not a labor or money saver. you still have to pound it in, and if you do retrieval it`s more work than jacking a stake. that`s why I stay with stakes. plus they don`t break, never a loss, read that ,never. that`s very very definitive and I`ve yet to talk to a cable guy that traps any amount that can claim that, zero losses due to cable failure .
|
|
|
Post by snakebit on Apr 1, 2008 15:05:20 GMT -6
when using the large lap links how do you fasten the swivel on the trap so there is no chance of it sliding back thru the link opening.
|
|
|
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 1, 2008 15:07:25 GMT -6
Mounding and frozen swivels are a concern with short chain setup's past 24 hours and even then in the winter time. I like longer chains and yes still use re-bar, I have had a few pulled through the years but very minor. I have some with shock springs and many with out, in muddy conditions that is where the shock springs really help! I use 18" minimum of chain and if needed I cross with a 12" in most areas that with a 24" or 30" re-bar gives you plenty the last pulled out trap wasn't a coyote! It was a mule deer. I had plenty of stake for a coyote but not the other. With re-bar I know exactly what I have outside of real muddy conditions then I break out the JC Connor spring equipped traps. I had 3 today we had 5" of snow in the last 4 days things are muddy in the afternoons and frozen at night, one did have the stake pulled a little out of the ground back foot catch, but it was still firm enough to hold it well. The others where all solid in the ground.
|
|
|
Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 15:12:03 GMT -6
my lap links are solid,i.e. no way anything can slide thru anything. I`m a 24 hr man, so barring extreme beach sand and hind feet, mounding is not an issue. but I did lose a big tom, that way this year. the knucklehead was so dumb I re-caught him in an identical set a few days later 10 feet away. there was no doubt it was him. take my word on it.
|
|
|
Post by thebeav2 on Apr 1, 2008 15:15:05 GMT -6
When your earth anchors are free you can leave them behind. LOl
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Apr 1, 2008 15:23:53 GMT -6
Bob- I just don't understand how you are breaking the double couplers- how are you bending them to make them fail? I like short chains also.
|
|
|
Post by robertw on Apr 1, 2008 15:30:53 GMT -6
The Berkshire double stake rigs do break in half with repeated use like Bob says. I have had at least two dozen of them break in half before I switched over to the Iowa Disposable type anchors that I use now (make my own).
|
|
|
Post by bobwendt on Apr 1, 2008 15:32:53 GMT -6
you pound them in a couple hudred times . and jack out couple hundred times, the BERKSHIRES I`m talking. they fail, break in half at the swivel and off goes coyote trap and all and leaves 2 stakes and your busted butterfly. happened once, then again another year, third year I said b.s. and pulled every trap and changed out and never lost one since. most guys just can`t comprehend the beating year round or full time trapping gives equipt, like "lifetime" sifters a guy wears the grill thru in one season,. that type thing. we are talking to different levels of use. I have a guy I`ll leave un named now that wants to market a "bob wendt" line of expensive indestructable trapline tested equiptent, where he does everything and I get a %age for my ideas and name. what do you think? so far I`ve always said no. but it does get old having to have everything custom made or researched to find products that hold up.
|
|
|
Post by trappnman on Apr 1, 2008 15:39:30 GMT -6
been lucky I guess.
|
|