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Apr 19, 2008 7:22:20 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Apr 19, 2008 7:22:20 GMT -6
have farms in my area including mine that you cannot walk 50 feet in any direction and not cut a deer track
me too.
farms where I see deer all the time. Small farms that get literally 30 or more deer shot off them every season and they STILL are there in numbers.
BUT here, in my country, with my soil or forage or the way I wear my hat- I can avoid almost all of my deer problems by moving the trap tighter to backing, or "over there".
Now- and this might be the key- these farms ae all hunted pretty much daily by bow hunters when I trap canines, and then later gun. But the deer are stil tere, moving at night. and traps that are on "wide" coners for example stil lget sprung daily- BUT, as I said, I find if I move that trap tight, or on the opposite side, etc- that the problem goes away.
The statement was made here about deer in one area acting different than deer in another area. Maybe its the terrian. I don't know.
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Apr 19, 2008 8:02:57 GMT -6
Post by ohiyotee on Apr 19, 2008 8:02:57 GMT -6
Okay where should i move to to make this set deer proof, I'd rather just not use the urine, shoot the coyote that i got and remake the set. But that just me in my simple world of uncomplicated trapping.
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Apr 19, 2008 8:46:46 GMT -6
Post by dogpaw on Apr 19, 2008 8:46:46 GMT -6
I don,t use urine hardly at all and haven,t since the late 80,s. I don,t catch a 100 coyotes but I get my share, if I see a coyote track a high percentage of the time I,ll catch it. I just see urine as another type of lure nothing more. I just don,t see the need for it unless you want to do something a little different for a special animal. All the pros use it I guess and could be missing something but to me it just another lure. I do use gland lure at a number of sets , so maybe Iam using urine, most gland lure have some urine added at some point and time. Just figured I,d throw in my 2 cents worth, which is not much but I got it off my chest anyways.
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Apr 19, 2008 9:00:12 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Apr 19, 2008 9:00:12 GMT -6
Good post dogpaw Around here to make your set deer proof you would have to leave it In the truck Or just use BAIT LOl I guess the only true test would to make 3 sets one with bait one with lure and one with just urine and see what works the best for you. You should be making at least 3 sets at a stop anyway.
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Apr 19, 2008 9:57:54 GMT -6
Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 19, 2008 9:57:54 GMT -6
The best test is to use no urine and see what it does to your catch, keep everything else the same. I use alot of t-bones and when I test new lures instead of putting it 10 ft of the travel route I'll put it back 20-30ft and use the wind and if the t-bone white and the smell can pull that coyote and peak it's senses enough to catch them over and over to me that is a good lure, then I'll use it at a flat set with little "show" and if it does it again over and over it gets on the list of ones to reorder and keep.
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Apr 19, 2008 20:03:07 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Apr 19, 2008 20:03:07 GMT -6
greg- what don't you understand here? If you say you can't move them, I believe you. Believe me when I say that moving helps for me.
but to be honest- where your set is is where I'd expect deer to go-
to avoid deer, I'd try on the far left with a dirthole back into the weeds. maybe up by that rock or whatever is snowcovered.
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Apr 19, 2008 20:23:49 GMT -6
Post by ohiyotee on Apr 19, 2008 20:23:49 GMT -6
I agree it is where the deer go , but they are every where . What I'm saying is why should i bother moving when if i eliminate some urine use i can set where i want to , in what i feel is the best spot and still catch the target. I just don't think that you have to use urine to do very good and i look at it the same way dogpaw does, just another lure. Yes that might work , but won't you agree that where the coyote is , is better? and easier?
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Apr 20, 2008 8:06:43 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Apr 20, 2008 8:06:43 GMT -6
ok, I understand your point about using no urine and setting up where you want....
but don't they just get stepped on where your set is located a lot? Urine or no urine.
As far as setting on location- to me, the left is setting on the same location as the right or the middle. If that coyote isn't just moving through, but puttering, hunting, being noisy etc- hes going to find my set by sight even if the wind is blowing the wrong way. I'd also make a set on the right- thats, to me, the focal point.
Understand, I'm in no way saying you are wrong- I'm just saying that I approach it different. I can see your no urine use in your locations works for you.
I tried not using urine years ago, but found for me that they still stepped on them daily. Actually, I guess why I continued using urine, was that I noticed in multiple set locations, that some were fired nightly it seemed by deer, or more often so than not- and others never were. and those others, were those tucked in a little off the beaten path so to speak.
On a slightly different tactic, I trap fairly often in cow pastures with cows. Over the years, I've "patterned" them pretty good, and can for for the most part keep sets working by staying off of concentration (cow) areas- esp noting where they stay at night.
I had a location this year, that usually has cows out. But with them mild weather, he had 45 or so Holstein heifers- and I couldn't keep a trap set for the life of me.
I tried all my tricks- deep sets, sets on sharp edges, sets close to fence, subtle sets, sets between sticks (they were natural to area), spraying urine on obvious locations and not using at set- all to no avail. I even set 4 traps in a small area, hoping that a couple would still be in operation.
They won. I finally pulled out after a week, and set up the outside the fences edges- piss-poor at bet, but had no choice and I did pick up 2.
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Apr 23, 2008 4:22:14 GMT -6
Post by mean1 on Apr 23, 2008 4:22:14 GMT -6
I have trapped 45 coyotes since January 1 (Goal is 100 in 1 year, in Ohio thats not a bad catch) and have only went thru almost one pint of coyote urine and about 1/4 of a pint fox urine up to today. I do use it more now in the summer doing control work, but winter a good lure or bait i prefer together or alone and no urine with either at a set. It's whatever works for you on the ground you trap. I believe coyotes in cages the only reason coyotes piss on there food it is the only attractant they have and all the company around.
mean1
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