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Post by Bristleback on Aug 26, 2007 22:35:36 GMT -6
Granted fawns and BAD are not a good mix.......agreed?
Adult deer and BAD.........avg deer weighs, what, does-bucks....avg.....175-180#........sure depends TX vs Sasketchewan.......but avgs........? Hold that thought..
Coyotes......avg weight........say West of Mississippi....as there are likely a much higher % of coyotes snared W of the Miss, than East........fair? Avgs...pups and adults..........28-29#? Little more? 30-31#?
Take the identical snare set up........long extension, solidly anchored....The momentum of an adult deer 150# vs a coyote 30#.......5x the difference........given this, I fully expect to see what I've experienced........hold the coyotes and release the deer. One question would be a deers "fight" vs a coyote's. Nothing is ALWAYS, or 100%......what's acceptable...1-2-3% both ways? Good discussion!
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Post by JWarren on Aug 27, 2007 10:07:45 GMT -6
given this, I fully expect to see what I've experienced........hold the coyotes and release the deer. I would guess your setting method or luck has been getting mostly deer legs. If you get a break away its easy to tell if it was a neck or leg, just look at the kink mark and see if its a leg diameter or neck. I've never released a neck caught to my knowledge.
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Post by Rod17 on Aug 27, 2007 19:13:07 GMT -6
Dwaine, thanks for the info.
We're discussing trapping seasons; fall/winter...not ADC work..as I have previously clarified. Not worried about fawns and not discussing crawl-unders that deer use. I am sure that most snares set on games trails, targeting K9 (coyotes specifically) get ungulates by the leg...thats basically what this thread is about. BAD's and leg-snared deer.
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Post by JWarren on Aug 28, 2007 13:40:45 GMT -6
Dwaine, thanks for the info. I am sure that most snares set on games trails, targeting K9 (coyotes specifically) get ungulates by the leg...thats basically what this thread is about. BAD's and leg-snared deer. don't be too confident of that. deer walk with their heads anywhere from right right along the ground to up high and all points in between. might want to read tom krauses book for info on avoiding deer and such. start setting a buinch of snares and you would be suprised.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 28, 2007 13:57:49 GMT -6
I would agree, I have neck snared deer with a fox size loop- both width and height for red fox, inclines deer will have there head lower and in some cases you just scratch your head and wonder how in the hell that happened.
Coyote sized loops and large deer numbers = some issues. You do the best you can within the given ability's you can control, to the point of not having coyotes shy away from the snare. Just follow the law protocols in those cases and all is well with CO's I have worked with on this issue.
Bristleback, hooking a deer leg and that fight they can get, versus the neck totally different and body mass has little to do with it, as a 265lb Bad can/does exert plenty enough to shut down blood flow on the arteries going along side the neck,without opening the bad. In that case the extra body mass just makes the snare on those arteries constrict that much better/faster. It would be a very fine line to have a "bad" hold a high% of coyotes and release neck caught deer. When using a setup to dispatch coyotes effectivly. You do what you can to avoid these situations, and that is all that can be expected.
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Post by Rod17 on Aug 28, 2007 19:57:24 GMT -6
Points well taken...always willing to learn something new from those with more experience.
do you think the shape of the loop matters...i.e., teardrop vs round. See where I am going with this (7x7 vs 1 x19)??
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Post by Rod17 on Aug 31, 2007 17:47:02 GMT -6
Maybe we have beaten this thread to death..but I'll try one more time.
For those of you that have neck snared deer, during trapping season, do you think the loop size as it directly relates to cable type and loop shape, influences the incident of neck snaring a deer.
7x7 - teardrop shaped loop - larger top to bottom dimension vs. 1 x19 rounder loop
Randy
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Post by coyotewhisperer on Aug 31, 2007 17:57:09 GMT -6
No I think it matters just what that deer happened to be doing at the precise time. Snares I figure to maybe have a problem never do......Then they get in the lowest smallest snare by the snout no rhyme or reason.
Jeff
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 31, 2007 19:29:35 GMT -6
I use all 1x19 far more chew resistant over 7x7 and holds a better loop that I like. I have caught them in both, there used to sticking there heads in places much like a coyote. I gave up on 7x7 and will never go back, as chew out's anymore are basicly a non issue with that cable type and the lock/ spring setup I use.
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