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Post by bobwendt on Jul 1, 2007 12:19:21 GMT -6
z, I can see in that last pic that those are all hardcore trappers..... must be a hunter orange law there. steven, you run a lot of traps on the tractor, use only one size tyrap, only one club for golf? jeff will do fine with his 2wd in ks, probably never get a flat and never get stuck. marky, you spinning in that little dab of mud is a mystery to me, I`ve never even thought twice about that small an amount. we routinely drive 2wd hondas over standiung water from inches to feet deep in harvested corn or bean fields, some fall tilled even.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 1, 2007 15:32:55 GMT -6
Bob I said 2wd will work for jeff in kansas.
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Post by musher on Jul 1, 2007 16:57:15 GMT -6
Like in snowmobiling, the driver makes a difference. Good tires and a little butt wiggling will get a 2WD through lots of trash.
We went for a ride today. 2 4WD 250's and 1 2WD 250. Mud, logs, uphill, downhill no problem for anyone. We didn't go crazy or anything but it was lots rougher than Marky's pic.
I was expecting people to argue more about engine size. Around here people do think that bigger is better. The main reason is speed in the trails.
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Post by rk660 on Jul 1, 2007 17:32:09 GMT -6
Lots of truth to what Musher said. Lots depends on driver ability. Since Ive been driving 4WD pickups for years down dirt and clay roads for years, there aint much I can drive thru w/ stock truck and proper tires. pulled lots of jacked up burger king 4WD out over the years, 8" lifts, 38" super swampers, $800 winches on front w/ no way to anchor known to them. One day made $150 off wanna bee monster truck drivers, pulling them out. Not sure if wallet or pride was damaged the worste.
I'd have to place heavy vote in favor or 4WD ATV if any snow expected to be ran. Used to kill my 300 bayou kawi in snow in WY. I think its actually hard to find an ATV any more thats not 4WD aint it?
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 18:21:47 GMT -6
A Kodiak 400/450 loses about 15 ft on a holeshot to a Grizz 660. They then pull even up to about 65-66mph. On the trail, There is NO benefit to larger engine size. In both ATV's and Snowmobiles...... To a degree!
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 1, 2007 18:51:23 GMT -6
65-66mph, lol.
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Post by sixbits on Jul 1, 2007 19:16:31 GMT -6
At 20 mph you feel like your going to freeze .winter time trapping on a 4 wheeler is hard ,but 60 toooo fast even in warmer weather how are ya going to see anything?
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Post by rk660 on Jul 1, 2007 19:37:25 GMT -6
during mild weather coon trapping, I do like the speed and acceleration out of the 2 stroke polaris. its a '93 and any Jap from same years where a real dog dick compared to it. suspension was 2x as long too. I need a newer bike now as polaris is ready for a trip to the dump. this one should have made trip to dump 10 years ago, but Im handy with a wrench. are newer jap bikes as fast as 2 strokes now? rode a 425 polaris 4 stroke and real dog dick too.
Once had a fellow trail rider piss and moan about the smoke from the ploaris. said if you dont like it-pass it ;D
while not racing by any means, I know once when polaris broke down, and had to borrow a foreman, the line took a hour longer to run. speed does kill, but sometimes it pays a little better.
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Post by jim on Jul 2, 2007 3:52:48 GMT -6
I told about the one time in thirty years i couldn't get the two wheel drive to go on glare ice,well also there was a time the fulltime four wheel drive wouldn't do what the two wheel drive would. We pushed a bunch of small logs together on the landing as the front wheels would spin backwards as the tires started to go up the log, with the four wheel drive the wheels don't spin backwards. Jim
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Post by z on Jul 2, 2007 7:38:51 GMT -6
Musher brought up motors and their relative size to performance...... I simply gave a comparison between 2 machines with a cost differance of some $1700! If Bob had said his wheeler had served him well in Kansas, Wyoming and Indiana that would have been differant, But he didn't..... Go back and re-read the thread, When you have a day or 3!
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2007 7:53:29 GMT -6
honda 2 wd`s have served me well in wyoming and indiana, I never took it to ks as never need it, the ranchers let me use theirs free. same in wyoming now. everyone in wyoming runs polaris or 6 wheeled john deeres. in ks its hondas, 2 wd. the wyoming guys use 4 wd, but because they use them for things other than trapping, like dragging calves at brandings, carting out dead elk and deer etc etc. plus many let the eastern and west coast type dude hunters ride around on them and marevel at things like a horny toad, lol. and they know those guys don`t know the difference from a cow to a deer, so they aren`t allowed to carry a gun if the rancher isn`t with them, you know, ted turner types. or I could be mean and say "-" types.
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Post by z on Jul 2, 2007 8:07:32 GMT -6
OK.... I can live with that! To get a little more techno my soil conditions here range from Clay (Riverbottom) Hudson hardpan, To red shale in the hills, to solid bluestone/rip rap in the mtns. Very rough terrain thats hard on tires and the machine.... Timber is dense, Cornering is tight, Obstacles galour...... In all actuality, In this situation the automatic is best for climbing, Their is no lag between shift points, Just constant torque from the CVT. Shifting down on an uphill climb will get an in experienced rider in trouble quick. He may just find the machine in his lap! And thats just the way it is!
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Post by shagnasty on Jul 2, 2007 8:10:09 GMT -6
i dont have a dog in this fight, but here in va, we have flat field ground similar to what bobs ground sounds like, we have thick swamp ground and pine forests with lots of standing water in timber and low lying areas, and we have steep rocky mountain ranges, and everything in between, some years quite a bit of snow and ice and always lots of rain. im leaning towards a 4x4 because of the vast changes in geographics and bad weather we usually have during winter. i routinely fail to trap porperties each year because the owners will not let me drive my truck when we have rain (which is most of the time), yet hunters are allowed to drive atvs. so yet another reason to own one.
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Post by musher on Jul 2, 2007 10:42:29 GMT -6
If money isn't an issue, get all the bells and whistles. The last bike I bought was a 2WD (second hand/good deal that I couldn't say no to). The last bike I sold was another 2 Wd (it was a Suzuki 230 quad that my son was going nuts on and 3 bikes per family is enough). BUT if I was buying new it would be 4 WD.
What about these new "sedan" atv's? My buddy of mine got his Dad a Mule. Gas peddle, steering wheel, seat belt, heater, wiper ....it pushes snow like a tank. It climbs....like a mule.
When going down a steep incline it is dangerous. If the wheels lock you're in trouble. You have to hook a "veau" (French for calf) in the back. In other words, dragging a log behind you slows you down. Top speed is slow. You can haul lots of weight in the box.
In the right area it looks like a possible trapping rig.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 2, 2007 11:57:39 GMT -6
cked them out, 10-15 grand. pending whistles.
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Post by z on Jul 2, 2007 12:28:23 GMT -6
Musher, What have you heard about the NEW Outlanders? Isn't one an 800? .......Should be popular up there in BRP land! BRP-Bombardier Recreational Products!
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Post by z on Jul 2, 2007 12:33:37 GMT -6
Ever see one of these?
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Post by Drew on Jul 2, 2007 13:40:15 GMT -6
Jeff...I hope what you bought works for you. I'm going to keep my mouth shut, and me and my old 125 late 80's three wheeler will keep plugging away again this year in the mud, muck and snow.
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Post by musher on Jul 2, 2007 15:18:12 GMT -6
Z: I don't know anyone that has one but I am seeing them. I don't know anything about them. I don't know if there is an 800.
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Post by SteveCraig on Jul 2, 2007 18:19:35 GMT -6
Musher, Thats what my Polaris Ranger is. And it will flat go anywhere out here that i want it to.
Bob, I bought mine for under $9,500, plain jane, and I put what I wanted on it.
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