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Post by bobwendt on Jul 1, 2007 7:15:55 GMT -6
I`m one who never needed 4 wd ,and never got stuck except once in liquid soupwhen it wouldn`y have mattered if 12 wheels were turning, bottomed out is bottomed out. never had a flat either. owned 6 machines in 25 years, caught about 500 trappers worth of miles and mud in the process. so hrmph. you who accuse others oif thinking they are god sounds like the guy with the god complex. if you were correct and indeed god, 2wd would not even be manufactured would they?, because no one would buy them. boys and their toys is what most 4wd are in an atv. oh ya, never rolled one either, only "experienced" racers do that stuff.
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 7:18:57 GMT -6
And if your by yourself, The winch can help you stand the machine up. Bring a good length of tow-strap or rope as anchor points for the winch are rarely where you need them..... Anybody else have anything to say? I have stuffed as many as 22 plugs in one tire, But I made it home..... Lesson being, Don't bring "1" pack..... heres another tip, A simple bicycle tire pump strapped to the racks works great for emergency inflation. A saddleblanket folded in half and strapped to the front rack makes a great scabbard as the rifle is positioned vertical to the machine. Those handlbar mounts suck.... All I have to do is pull on the butt and the rifle slides right out and isn't getting beat to nuts by tree limbs etc.
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 7:21:21 GMT -6
No Bob, Its called not being scared to go where others WON'T! Your way out of your league here, The sooner you accept it the sooner we can move on.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 1, 2007 7:30:12 GMT -6
Speaking of relocating switches from the bars, (good tip). When I ran dirt bikes I learned to keep the clutch and brake lever brackets a little loose. So when I hit them they moved instead of breaking.
When bark busters came out I saw guys breaking their hands and wrists because they didn't get hands out of it quick enough. Convinced me to stay away from those. Lots of woods riders use them though.
I can't imagine not having a clutch for feathering the power band. I see these newer big cc four strokes have plenty of low end grunt, unlike the high rpm two strokes.
Rec and farm riders can learn a lot from the racers, if they want.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 1, 2007 7:36:54 GMT -6
yawn, I don`t think so. your knowledge of trapping on an atv vs playing , racing,and hill jumping and other crazy stuff is limited as heck. like a saddle blanket for a rifle. most guys carry baskets, cages or traps, no room for a blanket or a rifle. see you aren`t being practical. this is a trapping forum, not a atv racing forum. 22 tire plugs, be serious, most guys quit driving over boards with nails. that means the landowner is saying quit tearing up my ground or crops with that atv. hint hint, with 22 holes. same deal on a bicycle pump, there comes a point when you could just build a house on the atv , but it kind of defeats the purpose. fwiw, I commonly trap wilderness areas where the nearest electric wire , himan,or phone is 20-30 miles away. so I use common sense and precautions ( like green goup the tires- lol, never a flat)so I don`t get in fixes that could be life threatening. yet still I need to trap productivly, so can`t carry a bunch of riff raff stuff.
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Post by markymark on Jul 1, 2007 8:19:25 GMT -6
You know I started to think about this today and decided to take a few pics. I have gotten several flats over the years. Most of them where due to light tire pressure and the rim pinching the tire against a rock. If you have been out here then you can understand the postion of owning a 4wd versus a 2wd. I had this tree fall over about a month ago your telling me your going to be able to skid pieces of this out with a 2wd doubt it. This is about the lay of the land around here and get's thicker with rock the further you go north where Mr. Z lives. The slightest bit of snow will put down a 2wd drive machine in short order. This machine is stuck in a little bit of mud to boot it's not pancaked. 2wd isn't for everyone. Take a look at this little incline, 2wd an inch of snow and that atv isn't going anywhere. Bob have you ever been out North East on an ATV? you'd be hard pressed to get around in 2wd. Where Tom lives in the Rip Van Winkle moutains there is know way you'd want to own a 2wd atv in that area. Maybe in Indiana but you just don't have the steep inclines as we do here. That is like me telling you what surf board you need in Indiana.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 1, 2007 8:35:03 GMT -6
the trend of this thread is TRAPPING on an atv.
if I wanted ot pull logs- I'd get a tractor.
If I wanted to climb hills made of sheer rock- I'd ride a mule.
Bob is right- no trapper in the world would go where he would get 22 flats in a day-
Z wants an ATV so he can abuse it on fun days- Bob wants a ATV to trap everyday.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 1, 2007 8:36:08 GMT -6
I never once told him what I he needed. I stated what I used and recommended for jeff, the original poster, a guy from the flats of western ks. , stated why, and where. and was called an azzhole and a liar. for that I will see z some day, which I have alerted him to. in answer to your one question, I`ve trapped pa, but back in the water days, that is the furthest east I`ve been, williamsport. my trapping is all indiana and west. I`ve never seen the hill my 2 wd would not climb unless there was risk of the thing tipping over backwards , of which 4 wd would have no effect. my problem is simply mud, mud mud, no issue with rocks or logs or snow. that last pic of "stuck" in green leaves and trace snow, uh uh. the stuck in the 2" deep mud puddle, uh uh, you are on a log or rock on the fronts there. the other areas a 4 wd there would cause irreparable erosion damage, and any landowner here would refuse access for one mistake like that. I`ve had my say, everyone has had their say, but many saying aren`t trapping on the things, rather playing and going places they have no business going. a 4wd truck is nice here too, but if we need 4wd to get over the farmers field, and he sees us doing it, it`s the last trip, ever. so everyone get whatever you want. I should have never posted a thing on this thread, and wouldn`t have if jeff hadn`t been a buddy and I felt I had some ideas that would be beneficial to him. I`ll pm such in the future.
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 8:39:43 GMT -6
Thats a nice looking machine Marky....LOL! Plenty of grunt, Plenty of bulk also.....But it get me to these dudes! Too bad I stop when it rains. 3200FT. elevation.....Note the sheer rock cliff behind me, 10 ft. in front of me drops off 40ft straight down! What farms would that be Bob? MY Northeast has been in constant reforestation for some years now..... "Many farmers, rec riders could learn a lot from the racers"! Aphuckinmen!
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 8:41:26 GMT -6
It wasn't 22 flats in a day Steve, It was 22 plugs in ONE tire. Re-read the post! LOL
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 8:43:09 GMT -6
And Bob you said you have trapped EVERY possible condition. Thats where I had my problem with your post(s)!
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Post by trappnman on Jul 1, 2007 8:45:48 GMT -6
enoughs enough- please- tell me exactly what farmers, etc can learn from "racers"?
what a farmer wants in an atv is nothing to what "racers" want-
racers want lighter, faster- farmers want dependable, trustworthy.
I used to "race" stuff- know what I found? serious racing breaks things- a lot of things and a lot of expensive things.
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 8:52:54 GMT -6
Heres yet another tip from Ricky racer.....Thats where most of your NEW technology comes from BTW. Independant rear suspended machines are inherently known to tear up CV boots. You need to keep an eye on what gathers around them. DO NOT let any snow stay in contact with the boots when you park the machine..... It will freeze and the moment you get on it.....Rippppppppp! Independant is nice in off camber terrain, BUT not needed. Steer with your throttle under these conditions. "Burping" yourself over obstacles. You weight should be on the uphill side of the machine.......Steering into the slope!
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 8:55:09 GMT -6
LOL...... Theres my proof! You fellas read between the lines, I'm outta here!
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Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 1, 2007 9:09:30 GMT -6
Sorry I said anything at all. Was only trying to contribute a tip that someone may like. Just like these guys have done for me. Nothing more, nothing less,
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Post by rk660 on Jul 1, 2007 9:34:09 GMT -6
My next bike is gonna be a polaris 6x6, can haul 3x the stuff on one. newer polaris are better quality than the older ones.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 1, 2007 10:24:34 GMT -6
lol, wheres the snow z? you climbing a lot of 40 foot cliffs in an atv are you? this thread has pooped out.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Jul 1, 2007 11:12:15 GMT -6
I used to "race" stuff- know what I found? serious racing breaks things- a lot of things and a lot of expensive things.
Thats the point. Most of your new and better equipment comes out of racing development.
Its one of the integral reasons that most major manufacturers are heavily involved.
I tend to beat the living daylights out of stuff. Thats why I want whats the best and maybe a little overkill.
Jeff can and will get by with the 2wd in his country, here you'd be walking or cutting you limitations by half.
if I wanted ot pull logs- I'd get a tractor.
Why have two differents pieces of machinery when one will do lol.
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Post by z on Jul 1, 2007 11:20:12 GMT -6
Right here Bob... BTW, Was running 4th in this heat when I crashed out.....Chit happens when you push it!
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Post by markymark on Jul 1, 2007 12:01:57 GMT -6
There was nothing there holding it back, I drove through that spot about 3 weeks prior. It's a little pocket in my back yard that yard that gives up a few fox and coyotes. I carry everything I need to trap right in my pockets since I am snaring. I am no speed guy or racer "keeping it steady" is my motto, there are many trails here that I trap that are flats of rock. There area from the Delaware water gap going north into the eastern part of the Adirondaks is mostly rock. You'd be surprised at how little of a wet snow will bog down an 4x4 atv. When I had my vacation home in Northern New Mexico you could get by with 2wd but the second you tossed in cat trapping 4wd was the way to go esp when you got a little grease. Maybe that 4wd is just a piece of mind I dunno
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