high desert spears????(updated on 2nd page)

[DaveLyons]

Well, Mike you kind of explained your own question. I know your getting some of them to pull out. But I have always been told to drive them into the ground a good three inches pass the last swivel and then set them. But this has been my experience with cable stakes. I don't know how everyone else does it.

Dave

[walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.)]

dave well ok if that was the case when we used 12-13 inches of cable they pulled out (noy pulling straight up either but from the side) ok now we tried 18-20 inches of cable and same thing ...so i guess pounding the 12-13 inch down below the surface is not going to help much...wish i had some way of putting in on video and posting it here for you all to see...and please note all i state here in my thread is fact...just MY EXPIERENCES WITH THEM......so im in no way saying they will not work for everyone.....

[conibear]

Walkercoonhunter are the spears sticking to the driver at all causing the spear to come up some when setting? Sorry you guys are have trouble with the spears. I was going to order some but going to wait to see how it works for you guys more. Thanks for sharing your info with us.

[DaveLyons]

wch,

Okay after I posted a good friend emailed me so here is his thoughts.

He was telling me if you bend the ends of the spear at a 20 degree angle this may help in you case with the spears.

I am only trying to find out the same info you are asking for because I would really like to go to the spears also.

Dave

[JWarren]

Maybe try jamming the driver back down the hole to turn the anchor sideways after you finish driving it, before you pull up on it?

[walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.)]

dave if you was to bend the ends of the spere they would not go on the driver...and no i havent had any trouble with them sticking except for one we modified the driver like in the pic someone else posted on the other thread....

[mike692]

jwarren said:

Maybe try jamming the driver back down the hole to turn the anchor sideways after you finish driving it, before you pull up on it?

I thought about this. As far as I can tell the whole problem I'm having is the anchor isn't turning correctly. I think that the cable is binding at the anchor, so when you pull straight up the anchor remains parallel to the cable. That's why driving them at an angle is working....sometimes.

And I can tell you guys, this isn't a cable stake problem. I've used just about every cable stake on the market here and they all hold. I was just looking for one that didn't stick in the driver or split when I drive it through our rocky soil. With all other cable stakes I've used, I've driven them past the first swivel and left the animal set them, as of yet I don't have the confidence in the spears to do that.

[Stef]

sometimes

[mike692]

stef said:

I know.....I'm going to stop at one of my locations today...an old strip job. If they don't hold there, they won't hold anywhere.

[Stef]

Thanks... keep us updated.

[hdwolfer]

First off, the spear takes more room to set, than other disposables. Pound down 2-3 inches below the loop cable end.Here is something to try. Pull the cable off to the side of the drive hole, take dirt from your trap bed and put down the hole, take the driver and tamp the dirt in the hole like you would a fence post. I've had to do that in some mud slop this season that wouldn't hold a pair of crossed 36" rebars.

[17kiss]

If you guys cant get them to work , I will buy them. Seriously. Call my cell and will buy em 717-816-5847

[bussro]

I'm going to try a few when time and money permits. The upland ground here is mostly sand, often with some gravel mixed in. Hopefully they will work out here. I also intend to try them on the waterline. There are many areas where I have to use a BIG, wood stake on both ends of a slidewire. If these would work on the deep end it would save me a lot of time and effort.

[walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.)]

hdwolfer please refer to my post above...if it will not set with 18-20 inches of cable its not going to set if you pound down below the loop 2-3 inches on 12 inches of cable.... :)and mike to answer your question on the binding....our loops on the spere is like 1-1 1/2 loop...they move freely when touched no binding at all...as far as i know im going to freaks place next weekend and i will be taking on of mine to compare with his....and im trying to get video for you guys so you can see for yourselves....

[mike692]

I stopped at one of my canine locations today and drove some right next to my old sets from this past season. The first three I drove, set exactly the way you'd expect them to, pretty much right away....and I drove those straight in and set them straight up. I had to pull them with the stake puller.
The fourth I drove into slag with about an inch of topsoil. That one I pulled out by hand..... it never set.
Because of how easily these go in, and because they don't stick to the driver, I'll give them a try next season.
I'll just have to set them before I bed the trap. I think I'll put 16 inches of cable on them as well.
After testing these today, I feel a little bit better about them. I definately think that the ground being saturated here right now plays a role as well. I'll see how they do this summer when it dries out.

[terminator1]

In think I solved the dilemma. Thru common sense and some of your comments. I welded a nut on right ahead of the loop they pressed out and bam, it still will come out 3 or 4 in before setting but you better have your stake puller handy. It pulls the sod up about the size of a dinner plate. This is what my reason was for getting them, thieves will need tools to steal the trap.

[terminator1]

I forgot to say cable was 17 in and I drove it in 6 times.

[Wright Brothers]

I don't have any of these type stakes but read this in awe. They look like they should work.

Is it a simple thing of banging the driver back and forth before pulling the driver to make the hole big enough so the spear can turn? That's how a cable guy showed me.

Thieves are carrying tools now. Tracked one to his house, called warden, still waiting, and full ready to push it.

My next batch of cable stakes will have chain on end like Edge showed. Old tire chains are a dime a dozen now. Thieves will probably be packin torches after that.

[guidestick]

I bought 100 High Desert Spears last year and never had a problem with them on the 50 coyotes that got caught in the traps with the spears as an anchor. I used 14" of 3/32 cable with double ferrules, and drove the cable in untill the loop was almost flush with the ground. Before I set the anchor I "ram-rodded" dirt back in the driver hole (like I do with all my disposable anchors) and the set them. I never had a coyote pull them in my soil conditions.(dry and hard) Try the ram-rod method and see if it helps.
Ryan

[mike692]

Thanks for the suggestions Ryan and hdwolfer. I really want these to work.