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Post by terminator1 on Mar 7, 2006 20:52:06 GMT -6
T37, I just measured them the cable point is about 1/4 in closer to the point. I also don't want to sound like I'm bad mouthing these because I think it is a great concept. just trying to maybe get some short cuts to success.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2006 21:21:17 GMT -6
I would think if it was closer to the point it would grab better with the width of these. Thaks for the info and the pic.
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Post by Stef on Mar 7, 2006 21:44:46 GMT -6
Washer works, Why the Spears doesn't work as well as the washer ?
I like the design and wanted to try some but I think I'll wait a little.
Stef
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Post by Zagman on Mar 8, 2006 6:43:33 GMT -6
Buy a few, and try them.....
I did and found them to be the best disposable I have used to date, and I have used them all...
Dont assume they have a flaw without taking them for a test drive......
And, BTW, they are NOT a Berkshire look-alike nor in the same class....
I like the Pogo better than the Berkshire.....I have only used the "heavy-duty" (relative term) Berkshire and the stake does not take any abuse.....unfortunately, that "abuse" is something as simple as driving the mother in.......the dimple bends, and you are out of luck.....
I used the Spears after Xmas, frozen ground, true-rocky ground, and the most impressive thing.......I drove some into a man-made berm on a gasline, simlilar to a railroad grade......this thing is made of gravel, rock, and cinders, and I have always had to use a drag there.....
The Spear went in........I did not even try to dig it out......
Future fossil-diggers will think the local indians started making arrow points out of steel when they find it......
Zagman
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Post by briankroberts on Mar 8, 2006 7:01:26 GMT -6
You made some good points Zagger about the frozen/hard ground use. In Kansas the ground we were using them in rock hard, like driving stakes in frozen ground, driving Iowas or Super Stakes took great effort on our part just to get down 12". The Spears went in a lot easier and held fine. I used the Berks for a couple of years and I know we would have had problems with them out there.
I will play around with the spears today and let you know what I find out in our soft, loamy ,wet soil conditions.....B.....
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Post by mike692 on Mar 8, 2006 7:23:56 GMT -6
I just drove a half dozen in the field behind my house. All but one I pulled up by hand...easily. The one that I couldn't, pulled up six inches before it set. For whatever reason, the stake isn't turning like it should. Presently ground conditions here are 2 inches frozen crust, then wet clay/soil. I'm not ready to give up on these yet, but I am a bit disappointed so far. It will be a shame if I can't get these to work, because they drive in very easily.
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Post by Stef on Mar 8, 2006 8:49:43 GMT -6
Zag, you still have frozen ground where you are?... Please check that out when it will be unfrozen. I read your post above and the other one on the Spears thread we had a week or so ago and was impressed to read that but now I'm a bit *!?"$# After reading mike, walker etc... comments.... if it could save me some welding time.... Why not? ;D Stef
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Mar 8, 2006 10:56:32 GMT -6
well i did some traveling today with my speres...all pulled out by hand...drove into hay fields plowed fields,centers of the 2 track...and i could pull all them out with my bare hand pulling from the side...these stakes have 12 1/2 inches of cable on them...the stake never felt like it set at all....i tried driving them in at a angle also with no to little resistance when pulling....i just dont think i have enough confidence in these to use these stakes...my pipe stakes hook up with in 1 inch of upward movement....called og...and thier explanition was USE LONGER CABLE....tried a 20 inch piece and not much better....now my order was short 148 pcs and they are pretty much calling me a liar....they are checking into it...so i guess i will have to wait and see what comes of this....
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Mar 8, 2006 11:24:36 GMT -6
UPDATE......i have called ogorman again and ask if we might have been doing something wrong...they said use more cable....i told them about the longer cable and she got smart with me and said just ship them back to us you will not be happy with the product.....boy hows that for customer service....again i think its a great design but we can get them to work....mabey when i have a visitor come over to see me he can verify what i have been saying all along about these stakes....just not cut out for our soil type i guess....
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Post by Stef on Mar 8, 2006 12:09:10 GMT -6
Hummmmmm thanks for your posts and time walker Stef
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Mar 8, 2006 12:19:20 GMT -6
i wanted to give them every chance i could...so i did it when i went to my trapping ground....and as far as customer service it sucked....but its done now...dont take my word for it everybody get some and try them they might work for you
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Post by Stef on Mar 8, 2006 12:22:30 GMT -6
Well... you're not the only one....
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Post by trappnman on Mar 8, 2006 13:08:29 GMT -6
Never used them or any of the high end stakes- just don't need them here. The plain jane Berkshires works perfectly fine here in my soil.
But for those in other climes- use what you need to.
walker- one thing to keep in mind- spring ground isn't anything like fall ground- like Bob says- no bottom.
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Post by 17HMR on Mar 8, 2006 13:24:27 GMT -6
I agree with Tman, frost loosens the soil as deep as the frost was, grab some of your other stakes and see how they preform in the same areas. I will stick with the cheep berks myself for now because I like the way they fold up when Im trying to get them out.
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Post by terminator1 on Mar 8, 2006 13:35:21 GMT -6
Tman, spring ground might not be like fall ground but the pipe stakes , you still need the puller to get them out. Iactually broke the cable on one right beside the spear at walkers yesterday.
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Post by mike692 on Mar 8, 2006 13:38:26 GMT -6
I pounded about two dozen holes in the yard this afternoon. The only way I could get them to set solid was to drive them at an angle like you were cross staking with rebar and then setting them straight up....hard. Every single one that I drove in straight and tried to set straight pulled out by hand. It may be because it's spring...I don't know. I do believe that Walker said he drove a pipe stake next to a spear this am and it set right away.
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Post by Stef on Mar 8, 2006 13:51:22 GMT -6
How many inches of cable came out before it sets?
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Post by mike692 on Mar 8, 2006 14:17:46 GMT -6
How many inches of cable came out before it sets? I'd say on average an inch or so. I rigged one up with a box swivel on the end with a loop of cable attached to that. The loop of cable gave me something to pull on. I think if you would drive them until the swivel is below ground and set them, you'd end up with the cable just below ground.
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Post by Cal Taylor on Mar 8, 2006 15:18:01 GMT -6
I used a pile of the High Deserts this winter and I think they are great. My opinion would be that if they don't work in a certain soil type, no other disposable is going to work there either. We have some coal shale banks out here that no disposable will hold in, they are just too soft, and you have to drag those locations. Stakes won't hold either. If I remember right, OGorman's advertising says that no stake system is perfect everywhere and I think that is true. If they don't work in your area, don't use them. But they sure work fine here.
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Post by Stef on Mar 8, 2006 20:57:41 GMT -6
Thanks Mike
That's the way it should be done
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