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beaver
Apr 11, 2007 14:19:42 GMT -6
Post by Rally Hess on Apr 11, 2007 14:19:42 GMT -6
Robert, I saw some beaver that came out of Kentucky that would surprise you. The kits were beautiful and fur got poorer as the size got larger, but that is another post. Location is only part of the story , when it comes to fur. We have huge cats up here but they don't bring near the money the Texas cat will. Many times the specialty furs, like you and I had the conversation about pale otter compared to my black otter. Fashion and manufacturing processes, more accurately, processing costs, play into the game too. Remember when short hair western beaver sold for more than easterns? Remember getting paid $12.00 for Nutria. Fad and fashion, boom or bust. The religion thing on the otter sure threw me for a loop though. What's next? Scott, I have a freezer full to the lid when you get through with those. You can just come over here and put them up so you don't have so far to bring them back. They are already skun so it won't take you too long. I'll furnish the Pepsi:)
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beaver
Apr 11, 2007 14:31:19 GMT -6
Post by daveplueger on Apr 11, 2007 14:31:19 GMT -6
Groeny has treated me very well for the past 30 years and until things change he will continue to get my business. I shipped coon one time and that was enough for me. Had a few .25 and .50 cent coon and ended the season averageing better green with Grant than put up at NAFA. I also cant wait for who knows how long for a check. At the auction you have no control plus added costs (commission, etc.) He isnt stupid. If you dont know fur and get screwed thats your own fault. I havent met the trapper yet that hasnt tried to slip something past the furbuyer so why should the furbuyer play any differently? If I was a buyer there would be no way I would pay a dime for a 5 lb., hairy, blue coon. As a matter of fact I never have no value coon because I cull anything 10 lbs. and under. We dont need that type of critter in the pipeline. They just help to suppress the over all market for that species.
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beaver
Apr 11, 2007 19:18:28 GMT -6
Post by ColdSteel on Apr 11, 2007 19:18:28 GMT -6
I sold green last year ahd over 200 plu smy buddy bought mien and between us both we had 496 beaver at the May sale.He averaged 29 and some change also he was paying me headcount prices didn't matter to me if he weighed 50 lbs or 15 lbs or bite marks from hell they all came out.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:11:02 GMT -6
Post by shagnasty on Apr 12, 2007 7:11:02 GMT -6
yep, we have a good beaver here, but the market is shot compared to last year, and really last year even where it was, it wasnt any real money. for crying out loud, it is a job to trap, skin, and finish beaver for even 20-25 or 30 dollars. get up in the 50-60 dollar range and then maybe some decent money could be made in areas with large numbers. not everywhere is crawling with beaver. only reason large beaver numbers were coming out of this state was due to recent high otter prices. i expect adc beaver jobs to go through the roof in the next few years if otter prices stay in the gutter. fact is the fur market is a joke really.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:13:35 GMT -6
Post by trappnman on Apr 12, 2007 7:13:35 GMT -6
if you aren't happy with $30 on beav for an average- then you'll never trap beaver again. lets get real- those prices your daddy reieved in the fur boom- won't ever happen across the board again.
consistently- a $30 average for MINNESOTA beaver over the past 15 years is a dream- let alone the deep south.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:18:11 GMT -6
Post by shagnasty on Apr 12, 2007 7:18:11 GMT -6
just saying the reason most trappers were hammering beaver was because of otter prices, whether incidental beaver, agreement with landowner to trap the beaver in exchange for otter, or just some trapping them beside the otter, whatever, fact is that is why so many beaver were being nailed down here. if this otter market doesnt straighten out, i dont think very many trappers at all will trap beaver serious for that price. it is hard to make money at that price after expenses, not figuring time. i think many will still trap to some degree out of enjoyment but will not trap like a monkey with a bannana rammed up his a$$.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:18:23 GMT -6
Post by robertw on Apr 12, 2007 7:18:23 GMT -6
Shag, The fur market is not a joke...It just is not enough by it's self to make ends meet. If you were only trapping (during the prescribed season) when some one is paying you to do so things would balance out differently.
The biggest problem trappers face today is getting the general public to understand the service that we provide and that this service is valuable.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:21:43 GMT -6
Post by shagnasty on Apr 12, 2007 7:21:43 GMT -6
agree robert, the great thing about that though, is their problem is not my problem. it either works in my advantage to trap there, i.e. trade something, fur of value, they pay up big, or i walk - if it is a real problem they will pay, if not, well someone else can have the problem for free or they can keep it.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:22:07 GMT -6
Post by robertw on Apr 12, 2007 7:22:07 GMT -6
Trappnman;" a $30 average for MINNESOTA beaver over the past 15 years is a dream- let alone the deep south."
"Historically" this is true but....$30 was reality last year and will be again in the near future if the chinese continue to interested in these beaver.
Can this market fall as fast as the otter market did? You bet!
The crazy part about this beaver market.....Rally Hess predicted this happening to the beaver market when we were at the FTA convention in Michigan a few years ago......He knew this would happen and I believed it would happen, just never believed it would do it all of a sudden like this!
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 7:23:53 GMT -6
Post by shagnasty on Apr 12, 2007 7:23:53 GMT -6
i could live with $30 beaver if the otter would just come back. but $30 beaver alone is not that great here, there is really nothing else out there that is worth pursuing on a large scale.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 8:17:52 GMT -6
Post by thebeav2 on Apr 12, 2007 8:17:52 GMT -6
LMAO DOOM AND GLOOM DOOM AND GLOOM. When the fun Is gone sell your traps and get out. Worthless otter= $40.00 or $50.00 average LMAO Two otter a day would pay lots of trap line expenses. What else can you catch that brings that kind of money? Easy to catch even easier to put up, 5 to 6 min to skin 10 min or so to flesh child's play.
"The beaver market Isn't what it use to be"
hell we haven't seen the may sale yet how do you know what the market Is. Some country sale where all the fur buyers are trying to recoup there otter losses, Isn't a true Indicator of any market.
Less otter trappers out there should mean less beaver being caught that could cause a shortage of beaver and should raise the price of beaver to a all time high In reality most hard core otter trappers were probably pitching the beaver anyway so that shoots down that theory LOL.
Treat trapping as a hobby, because that's what Is Is for most of us. Hell I'll be 68 next month and I'm already planning a new and more extensive beaver line for next year,I hope I can still be toten beaver out of the swamp when I'm 70. Ya just got to love It.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 8:26:35 GMT -6
Post by shagnasty on Apr 12, 2007 8:26:35 GMT -6
beav ole buddy, eternal optimist you are. high price furs are fun, low price furs are not, this is true for most whether they admit or not. big difference in what is high and low between trappers, that is what you need to understand. a $40 otter to me is peas or beans, whatever. 2/day consistently is not easy to do here and requires alot of travel. not selling any 330s just yet, i am looking into adc work more seriously and otter prices could rebound in 1 to 10 years, who know, i havent forgot how to trap them and wont.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 11:19:39 GMT -6
Post by ohiyotee on Apr 12, 2007 11:19:39 GMT -6
beav. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 11:58:24 GMT -6
Post by Rally Hess on Apr 12, 2007 11:58:24 GMT -6
I'm with you Beav. A 50.00 Otter pays the gas on the beaver line. In my mind that is all they are worth. Give me a 30.00 AVERAGE on my beaver and I'll be a happy camper. Most won't chase them for that and it increases the ADC calls. The best we can hope for is a change in the fashion trend. Another Urban Cowboy trend requires alot of Stetson hats and the hatter market picks up bringing up the low end and average. Dressing costs and time for dressing is a real concern now. Would you buy or hold 25,00 beaver with no market or a two year turn around on your money? There are better investments out there. Also keep in mind the warm winter this year.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 14:00:11 GMT -6
Post by ColdSteel on Apr 12, 2007 14:00:11 GMT -6
heck you boys sights are higher than mine if I can sell otter for 50 bucks that would be nice as far as beaver anything over 20 bucks is a bonus for NC beaver.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 14:03:35 GMT -6
Post by shagnasty on Apr 12, 2007 14:03:35 GMT -6
not me - $100/hd was break even for me time figured in. $50/hd will be trapping at a major loss, time figured in. when i started trapping 9-10 years ago otter were knocking on the door of $100. i think it boils down to that quite a few trappers will do it for nothing or next to nothing, lucky for me no one is holding a gun to my head and i set my own price limits.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 15:41:09 GMT -6
Post by robertw on Apr 12, 2007 15:41:09 GMT -6
Shag, You can always just hold those otter till the market is where you want it to be! Many trappers understand and do this. PSB has a thread on this forum showing how he bales his fox for storage, same thing.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 16:09:10 GMT -6
Post by ColdSteel on Apr 12, 2007 16:09:10 GMT -6
I wouldn't break my neck at 50 bucks either but if I am gonna ride right by creeks I can block or fish ponds it would be crazy for me not to set for them while running a fox line.A 330 is a very low maintenance set .Right now I hope we can just get a otter market back even if its at 50 or 60 bucks.What bothers me is not being able to sell them like the ones left from last May.I have made up my mind though if beaver go cheap and my otter don't move I won't kill any more next year.Tom Tyree claims China is out of the otter market for good and Russia was showing interest hopefully they will move for a fair price
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 17:10:01 GMT -6
Post by robertw on Apr 12, 2007 17:10:01 GMT -6
"China is out of the otter market for good"
I would really like to know just exactly what happend to the otter market. I just don't by the Dalli Lama BS.
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beaver
Apr 12, 2007 19:58:43 GMT -6
Post by ColdSteel on Apr 12, 2007 19:58:43 GMT -6
I think a lot of us would Robert they went from hot as a fire cracker last Feb to hardly saleable last May heck look whats left from last year .No telling whats gonna be added at this next sale.I hope they sale because I will stop killing them with no market
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