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Post by thebeav2 on Nov 26, 2006 9:30:37 GMT -6
Well BK I set out 24 b&Es yesterday. I set heavy above and below any rat sign. I wish I would have had some foot holds with me, since I know I could have caught some rats setting the pull outs and feed beds.
I tried to set the slack areas as to current and placed most sets where there was overhead cover. The under cut banks were to far under cut for me to feel comfortable In placing traps and then stabilizing them. Most of them were at least 3 feet back under,and no air space. I really don't think rats swim that far back in those under cuts anyway. But what do I know I'm just a rookie at this B&E stuff. But I'm sure of one thing 110s were alot lighter to carry then a bunch of foot holds and stakes and drowning cables.
Your student Is going with me today and will be pointing out any errors I might have made as to location and trap positions.
At least I'll have scot to help carry the catch , If there Is any lol.
Since I will have help a few foot holds will be going with me today. Can't live on B&Es totally LOL
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Post by BK on Nov 26, 2006 10:14:45 GMT -6
Beav., Beav., Beav.,........... I'm not sure what page you're on here. Overhead cover is not a concern, the water provides that.
You should be looking for points along the bank, you'll catch the rats and mink going under the overhanging banks there.
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Post by Ridgerunner on Nov 26, 2006 15:44:47 GMT -6
BK ... What are your thoughts on the 160 as a trap for BE setting?
I thought about removing one spring to make them set up tight to the bank, but do not wish to dink with traps all that much during season.
I have some 6" RBGs (single spring) and they tuck in there real nice.
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Post by thebeav2 on Nov 26, 2006 16:53:16 GMT -6
Well after coming up empty on 24 sets, well one non traget. I'm a bit down on the good old bottom edge set.
Scot did explain a few things that I was doing wrong.
Since your not doing anything BK why don't you just travel down hear for a day or so and show me the results of the B&E set when made correctly. The rats are there so that's half the battle out of the way.
We re located a few sets and put In a few more so will check on Tues or Wed and see how It goes.
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Post by dj88ryr on Nov 26, 2006 20:09:13 GMT -6
Beav, took me a full 3 seasons before I could even set a BE with any confidance, once you start having success with them, the sets will pop right out at you. They are a blessing later on when you get ice, and wild fluctuations in the water level.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 26, 2006 20:24:21 GMT -6
I need to figure out what a bottom edge set is?
Are you setting conibears on the bottom of a deep run?
Joel
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Post by dj88ryr on Nov 26, 2006 20:39:45 GMT -6
Conibears up against verticle banks but especially where you have a rock, log, or other obstruction that forces the rat, mink, otter, beaver to alter his travel line, when they happen upon these spots, they really hug the obstruction.
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Post by Freak( Jim V.) on Nov 26, 2006 21:09:05 GMT -6
Here in Pa I set alot of them up along concrete bridge abutments and wing walls with a fair amount of luck. Kind of a no brainer once you get onto them. One of the set and forget type of sets though. Leave em in as long as you are running is what I mean.
Seem to have a fair amount of succes in faster flowing water alos. Just some thoughts, been awhile since I bothered around here.
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Post by dj88ryr on Nov 26, 2006 21:14:30 GMT -6
The Lion has success with them on those wing walls and square concrete culverts.
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Post by BK on Nov 26, 2006 21:41:46 GMT -6
Ridgerunner, I have set a few 160's making the BE set but it was because that was all I had left in the truck,...... they work.
But it's more trap than you need and the extra spring can get in the way some, they also tend to go off kinda hard with the extra spring,...... that and the extra room makes me wounder if some get through.
Beav, I don't know what to tell you, I can't come down as now, deer season is over so I hope to start pumping out some sets of my own in the little bit of daylight there is after work.
I think Scott has the book get that from him and have Pam read it to you in bed.
I do a few things that aren't in there that I picked up on my own
but Ken Smythe didn't leave too many stones unturned when he wrote the book.
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Post by thebeav2 on Nov 27, 2006 8:25:41 GMT -6
I had the book at one time but donated It to Traps for Kids.
Just another thought, maybe with this warm weather we are having the rats just aren't moving as much. This stream Is a trout stream and It NEVER freezes over.
I could probably run a bunch of baited pockets and clean out the rats In a few days but I don't want to deal with all the coon I would be catching. Just to darn far to tote em out and would have to check every day.
Will check on Wed and report back.
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Post by Jeffrey on Nov 27, 2006 9:23:59 GMT -6
My partner has around 75 old victor 210's, a 220 with one spring, would those be good for BE sets?
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Post by dj88ryr on Nov 27, 2006 9:47:57 GMT -6
My partner has around 75 old victor 210's, a 220 with one spring, would those be good for BE sets? They would be good for Otter, a little big for rats and mink, although you would catch some, as evidenced by Stef catching that Mink in a 330. If you use them for Otter, I would make sure that one spring is VERY strong. |
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 27, 2006 11:08:36 GMT -6
That's how I was taught to trap mink. Good set.
I thought it was something to do with deep water runs.
Joel
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Post by dj88ryr on Nov 27, 2006 11:48:30 GMT -6
It works in deep water, I have made catches in water 48" deep, and I have also made catches in water that barely covered the trap, and every depth in between, I especially like them when ice and fluctuating water become problems for pockets and blind sets.
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Post by fishadict on Nov 27, 2006 19:35:38 GMT -6
Beav - Now you have to let them ride.
I'll bring the book over for you tomorrow.
fa
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Nov 27, 2006 22:38:39 GMT -6
When you say you've made catches in water 48" deep are you talking about having the trap 48" under water?
Or just at water level where they go in at the obstruction?
Joel
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Post by dj88ryr on Nov 28, 2006 8:18:47 GMT -6
When you say you've made catches in water 48" deep are you talking about having the trap 48" under water? Or just at water level where they go in at the obstruction? Joel On the bottom, up against the obstruction, using a stabilizer. |
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Post by jimdrummond on Nov 28, 2006 17:16:42 GMT -6
Beav, one thing I found out about the bottom edge set is the colder it gets, the better this set works. I use this set for mink, muskrat and beaver, its a very good set but if your expecting mink, you will be disappointed til the air temp drops colder than the water.mink will go under the ice where its actually warmer than on land, then you wil nail them. I use anything from a 110 up to 330 for this set, the bigger traps work great.
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Post by packerfan on Nov 29, 2006 0:01:42 GMT -6
Been using #160's the last 3 weeks. Works like magic! Just like trail setting for coon. Put coni in path and BINGO. The easiest set I've ever made.  I like sticking the extra spring into silt deposits left on the turns of the creek.  I tried to explain this to Beav, but he's getting old and his memory is starting to fade fast.  Scot..............I'd like to take a peak at that book. Beav.............. I'll be down Thur. with more rats. This rain put all my traps on hold except, you guessed it, my BE sets. -Dan |
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