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[NEPISIGUIT]

What is the average length of this wire when setting snares in open country. I see Q,Gorham recommends 60 inches in his coyote book. Does this seem right under normal circumstances baring regulations that specify dia. and height of snare

[cowman]

30 in. would be a lot.

[edge]

I use 36" of 11 ga on a 18" piece of cold rolled with an angle bent on the top to keep it from spinning.
T-Man has seen these and he can prolly splain better.

I rarely need all 36",but they arent 36 by the end of season.

Edge

[Bristleback]

I own several doz and 98% of time I find the wire toooooo long, 30" is way more than enough, 22-24" would likely be plenty most of the time, but if you're going to build your own, the length will depend on your design.

When Doug developed these, WOW take them to an open field, say grazed off cattle pasture(of course no livestock) and snare those trails, WIDE OPEN, a couple strategically placed weeds and you will flat out be amazed at the coyotes you snare, long extension, small cable and the right set up and you will truly be amazed, if you've never tried this before. I grin everytime I pull up to coyote taking a dirt nap with necklace in the WIDE OPEN.

[mr. finch]

anyone want to post a pic of it i am not sure i know what you are talking about. sounds interesting though

[frenchman]

support wire for snares?

[martyb]

how does a dhp out perform a quick-cheap-effective, 30" piece of no.9 wire?

isn't it just adding another piece of equipment that isn't necessary?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm asking with an honest heart.

[NEPISIGUIT]

Yes i think i know what they are, But /How do you keep them from spinning? and if you are using 12 inch loops and 12 inch off the track surface to the bottom of the snare this does not leave much to drive into the ground for support.or Am i missing something in their construction and use?

[coyotewhisperer]

Mine have an anti spin weld torwards the bottom of the stake they don't spin. As far as being better than a piece of no 9 wire yes they are better because it is the stake and support for the snare all in one deal. You just grab one and a snare and its fast. Only problem is I don't see them listed in OG's newest catalogue. I need 5 more dozen anyone know where I can get them?

Jeff

[KRJ]

Jeff,
Last I knew he called them Montana simplicity snare supports. He has changed the design some. They no longer are made with the big nail/spike and I don’t even think that they are made with 3/8 rebar like the second version was.

KRJ

[sbhooper]

KRJ, O'Gorman's supports are a little different. Doug started selling them through O'Gorman and then O'Gorman screwed him over and Doug quit. O'Gorman just took Doug's design and changed the name and product slightly.

Marty. I don't think that they are all that much better than just using wire, but you have the stake and support all in one for convenience. I was going to buy some, but never got down east where Doug was living and I did not want to pay the shipping for the heavy suckers. I don't know what he is up to now, as I have not seen him on any sites for quite some time.

[Bristleback]

For the record, there are 2 versions, DHP Generation One and Two.

The DHP's are not the same product as OG's Simplicity Snare Support. Now giving credit where credit is due.... Doug invented both Generations, OG changed it a bit, renamed it and no longer carries the DHP. You won't find the DHP in OG catalog. I'll leave it at that.........

Last I talked with Doug, he still had some for sale. Jeff I can get you some info if you like.

Compared to a #9 piece of wire, in MANY/MOST places I like these much better, they offer much more vertical support which IMHO is critical to have a SOLIDLY supported snare, in order to get it to FIRE.....especially on cats. Coyotes tend to just keep lumbering along and in many cases will get caught anyway.....I just HATE a mushy supported snare. Marty, don't you have a bunch of sandy, bottomless soil??? Does plain ol #9 annealed shoved in the ground set up solid enough for you???

Jeff, rather than putting an antispin at the bottom, try towards the top, easier to get out too

[Stef]

Now giving credit where credit is due.... Doug invented both Generations, OG changed it a bit, renamed it and no longer carries the DHP. You won't find the DHP in OG catalog. I'll leave it at that.........

First stolen idea?

;D

[martyb]

I've never had a problem that I noticed. My biggest challenge has always been to get a snare to look like a trailside weed out in the middle of an overgrazed pasture.

Currently I use a 24" disposable on the end of my 8ft snares. Still some pounding, but cuts back on the weight and space of rebars or dhp's. Sometimes tremendously. I cant get around pounding unless there is a convienient cedar close to the trail.

[SteveCraig]

For areas, mostly back east, get a 1"x 1" oak stake, 6 inches long. Drill a 3/16" hole about 1 inch up from the pointed end, or in other words, the bottom of the stake. Poke 2 inches of a 34" piece of #9 wire through the hole, and drive her in beside the trail. You get a cheap and very ridgid support that you can set right in the tracks of 2 track trails, and even farm lanes and roads etc., without the worry of a tractor, truck or vehicle tire being flattened by a rebar/wire support stake.
Been using this method since 79.
Steve

[Bristleback]

Stef?? Certainly not the first nor the last "knockoff"

Doug is a heck of a guy, the type I really enjoy visiting with, a real thinker, just simply wanting to give him his due credit.

[sbhooper]

Bristleback, Where is Doug? He seems to have dropped of the forums.

[Bristleback]

It's been several months since Doug and I have chatted. His work schedule is nuts, the guy goes 999mph, lots going on family, work, not sure he gets to "play"...errrr trap/snare like we'd all like to.

I've shot him a couple emails and we'll see if we can pull him out, he's quite the thinker and I'd think most would appreciate his input.

[martyb]

This is as simple and efficient as I can get things.

it is the setup I use for beaver, coons, and yotes. It has taken incidental cats. I haven't set specifically for cats to any extent.

A pointed driver with a notch ground in the tip could be used with berkshires, but a simple "support wire driver" and a pogo driver is needed for washer stakes.

I'm still trying to find a simpler way. I think snares on good drags would eliminate the pounding of a stake, but take up too much room in the truck. We dont have enough trees to count on one being where we need them.

[Bristleback]

Marty, you are quite the "artist"
Do you think the swivel in necessary for coyotes? I quite using them a couple years ago. Also, are you running a long extension with a Stinger??

Talked with Doug earlier, invited him on to chat, he's silly busy at work, but I'd expect him to "stop by some time"