Spraying Pee!

[tmalone]

On a coyote, fox or Bobcat setup, where do you spray the pee? And how much do you use?

[gunny]

Squirt the pee behind your trap, where the coyote, fox, or bobcat has to come through your trap to get to the pee. Use 1/2 to 1 ounce.

[foxcatcher1]

Some people use it as a cover scent at the set. I have not done this for some time but am thinking about going back to it. What you do is spray a fine mist ove the whole set. Currently I just give about 3 shots to the backing and leave it.

Don

[Possum]

Since I use a squirt bottle, I try to simulate the amount my dog whizzes when he's marking a spot. Couple, three squirts on the backing behind the trap. When I start using CaCl, peat moss, salt or glycol as antifreeze I mist over the set to disguise the odor. Okay, there's not supposed to be any odor but .....?

[dj88ryr]

Used to mist the entire set, last year used a squirter, this year going back to spray bottle and misting, and yes there is a reason, I caught twice as many canines misting as I did squirting, on my line, my area.

[trappnman]

I squirt the urine in one spot at a fresh set or reluring an untouched set.

At all remakes, I mist the set. Have had sevreal experimental periods over te years where I don't mist, I mist, don't mix, mist. etc.

Without a doubt- without ANY doubt- I do much better at catching coyotes in remakes by misting than not misting.

A lot of people tell me that they have poor success at remakes- and many of the same people are the ones that tell me they would never mist a set.

[jim]

I am cheap with the pee, one squirt at new sets nothing at remakes and I have good luck at remakes.
Jim

[ColdSteel]

Great post Tman I keep learning from you boys time the yotes get here strong I will be able to catch a few.I have caught very few coyotes but I have never misted a remake on a fox set would you expect similar results to the remake of fox sets?

[lynxcat]

trappnman said:

At all remakes, I mist the set. Have had several experimental periods over te years where I don't mist, I mist, don't mix, mist. etc.

Without a doubt- without ANY doubt- I do much better at catching coyotes in remakes by misting than not misting.

A lot of people tell me that they have poor success at remakes- and many of the same people are the ones that tell me they would never mist a set.

VERY true...to add to this, it is also VERY wise to throw in another set VERY near the remake and use nothing but urine. Reason being that some coyotes will come right into a remake...others will fidget...fuss..pace back and forth and NOT go into the set...HOWEVER!!! my little dog tells me that they WILL/DO mark outside the remake...just as a dog will mark...my little dog will go STRAIGHT to the spot EVERYTIME(that there's not something in the remake)...I've taken to adding this extra set and it most DEFINETLY increases the coyote catch.
lynx

[bobwendt]

" would you expect a difference on catch results on re makes from fox trapping to coyote trapping" he he , pilgrim!

[trappnman]

what are those fox you speak of?

For sure, in my limited number of foxes, I take as many in remakes as I do fresh sets- a coyote remake works as well as a fox remake. Best for me was 3 reds, 4 coyotes in 1 set in 10 days- started out with 2 sets- added a "fresh" set about day 4- and all 7 caught in the original set and the other 2 never touched. Odd.

[td]

I squirt the backing on fresh sets and maybe some off on one side. I don't use any on remakes because the coyotes I catch have already misted the whole thing. The whole area usually reeks of coyote pee. There seems to be no rhyme or reason on catching at the remakes,for me. Some catch repeatedly,others catch one more and some catch none. I always figure catches at remakes are contingent on how many are left, discounting the few cuties. What does misting add above what the coyote previously caught usually leaves?

I'm w/lynxcat. A fresh set nearby,or on approaches farther away, if necessary for the shy ones.

[trappnman]

I think it does one thing only- and thats to disquise the beginnings of rust on the trap.

pees all over... but probably not where I want the trap- plus am many times importing dirt.

One of my trapping "facts" is that for me, a rusty trap spooks a coyote...fresh rust now.

[ColdSteel]

I guess when I said fox I should have stated greys.I don't have many reds on my line at all.That is why I am in a place 3 nights and leave .I also don't catch alot of doubles on greys like you boys catching 5 and 6 coyotes at one site.I have never misted any urine on remakes before just a shot on backing and gone.I also don't get alot of snow so maybe alot of times I have been getting some refusals and just didn't know.I have always seen a grey at being aggresive and have more trouble with them rubbing at sets than anything from what I have seen.

[lynxcat]

Steve....what I SHOULD have said is that I catch 80 PLUS % of my fox/coyote in the remake sets...110% of the fox...but DO see a few dogs that will NOT come to the remake. The extra set (coyote sets ONLY) does account for a few extra's every year...The urine only doesnt spook them like the remake...just tells them someone else has checked it out before them...If I have the extra traps...AND time...why not!!!
lynx

[coyote]

trappnman said:

plus am many times importing dirt.

think your problems at re-makes might have been that your imported dirt smells different (like DIRT, instead of urine) right over the trap? that is, until you started misting them again?

[tmalone]

Lot's of great info! Thanks for spending the time to answer my questions. Tony

[JWarren]

[[/quote]

think your problems at re-makes might have been that your imported dirt smells different (like DIRT, instead of urine) right over the trap? that is, until you started misting them again?[/quote]

Hmmm good point. Why would you cover a dirty trap with imported dirt Tman? Maybe a top coat of dirty dirt on top of the imported dirt would be the same as misting?

[trappnman]

yes, it is a good point- and I've thought about it several times. One has to look at all variables.

I remake many of my sets with the same dirt that is there, or top dress it. Dry dirt is for wet/frozen weather. I also dis my first excperiments in the years before I collected dry dirt. I have repeated them with dry dirt, and the results are the same.

As to why import dirt- wet remakes, frozen remakes- get dry dirt. the whole pattern is fresh dirt- included the extended pattern.

But it certainly could be part of the puzzle- although misting the whole pattern is better that just misting over the trap.

I often hear about coyotes peeing all over the set- and then in the same breath about squeezing the bladder, etc to collect urine. How much do they really pee- and how much over the center of the pattern (the trap bed)? Certainly the whole set smells like coyote- or coon or whatever- but usually I find pee concentrated in a couple of areas (wet spots).

Going back to other remakes- does a coon, cat, etc pee as much then as a coyote? So adding coyote pee now adds scent to the set, covering up the trap odors?

Good questions- I just know misting works. O'Gorman concurs in Hoofbeats- saying he often used a gal of pee to mist 50-60 sets in wet weather for the same reasons.

[thebeav2]

Iv'e been known to carry a bit of dirt form a pervious catch circle and sift It over a new set with good results.
I don't use much urine.I feel that If you have a good lure and or bait at the set urine Is a moot point.

Gary