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Post by wheelie on Aug 29, 2005 9:30:11 GMT -6
I was talking to a fellow trapper that lives in Northern Indiana a couple weeks ago and we were talking about efficency on the K9 line..........like what we carry, tools we use, peat moss, etc..... keeping it simple so to speak..........and he said he mixes a 1 oz bottle of lure with 32 oz of good coyote pee and just uses one squirt bottle instead of a pee bottle and lure bottle etc....... One less thing you have to pack around and makes finishing the set quicker......................a pee/lure all in one.. He said we trappers Lure the hole, then we poor on the pee so whats the difference? I thought about it for a minute..............and all I could come up with is hmmmmmmmmm.......never thought of that before. Anyone else do that or any thoughts about it? Might save one more step of the process
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 29, 2005 9:42:25 GMT -6
I disagree, there is great advantage to have 2 different smells in 2 different places. the more steps, the greater the likley hood of the foot on the pan. I`m sure a canine sticks his nose on one, shuffles a little and then noses the other, i.e. more steps. as long as that lure or bait is hard to get to, and he really wants it, not just a sniff and bye, more steps yet.
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Post by NattyBumpo on Aug 29, 2005 9:48:28 GMT -6
Carmans and Fox Hollow carry urine mixed with glands for coyotes and red fox. One squirt down the hole and move on. Sounds like a good idea to me. But I like something in that hole that they want to get out.
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Post by wheelie on Aug 29, 2005 10:28:23 GMT -6
Bob Wrote "I disagree, there is great advantage to have 2 different smells in 2 different places"
Yes, I lure the hole then sprinkle pee on the backing.........................but how many trappers put lure down the hole and then sqirt the pee in the hole also?
I've heard you say this before Bob......"what I put down that hole is so good they are gonna get at it weather it takes 1 minute, 5 mins, or a half hour"...............................so based on that theory YOU also could benifit from a lure/pee bottle all in one, cause the yote or fox is gonna dig that sucker away........you might just be saving 20 seconds at the trap sight by doing the method above.
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Post by MickMcLaughlin on Aug 29, 2005 10:46:01 GMT -6
I am going to try using less urine all around this year and see if it helps with reducing my deer problems.I will probably set very few true coyote sets anyway.I averaged $5 on my finished coyotes last year,if that gives you an idea of the quality of 'yotes I have here.I do like to use a little fresh 'cat pee at my cat 'sets and if I have it I will use it pure.I am going to pick two lures and throw the rest away ,just for simplicity reasons.
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Post by 17kiss on Aug 29, 2005 11:53:37 GMT -6
I tried it with a bunch of different lures and the only real winner i found was gland and pee mixed , but I still use a seperate lure , so dont really save me anything.I like the different smells like Bob said.Now that being said , I did notice a higher catch rate at the set that had the gland/pee along with lure vs. lure and pee alone. Just FYI. I always run my lure tests side by side for reference.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 29, 2005 17:37:09 GMT -6
I too like to keep my odors separate at a set. I'm a firm beleiver in keeping him there and I believe different points of interest does that. But a gland /urine smell or a skunky/urine smell will of course take a lot of yotes.
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Post by Maineman on Aug 29, 2005 17:56:12 GMT -6
This is a question rather than a position… but didn’t we discuss (in a previous post many moons ago) the sensitivity/power of a coyote’s nose and conclude that he could actually decipher the different ingredients in a “single lure” ? If that “is” the case…then why wouldn’t the same theory apply here with urine/glands?
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Post by trappnman on Aug 29, 2005 18:04:51 GMT -6
Good question- its the separtion of the odors thats important. A scent here...and a scent 10" away- provides 2 points of interest. You could use the same lure or lure mix at both points- but you might get (I tend to believe this) acceptance of the lure at one point and since he knows its the same over there, you'd loose that walkthrough effect. 2 different points gets the feet moving.
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Post by 17kiss on Aug 29, 2005 18:34:19 GMT -6
Believe I was in a part of a conversation Saturday night at the NTA where as a fellow trapper said when he gets to the point where the one ounce lure bottles get unreadable , he just dumps remaining lures together and has pretty good success doing this. Anyone else done this. I have about 50 partials but I cant seem to bring myself to do this.Now that can really become a complex scent to decipher. LOL
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Post by trappnman on Aug 29, 2005 18:57:59 GMT -6
Yes- I have and do that. I use this "combo" bottle as 1 lure then still lure with second lure. at different spot
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Post by lynxcat on Aug 29, 2005 19:07:48 GMT -6
Yea...yea...yea...I have to agree with Bob...AND DISAGREE!!!! It all depends on just exactly WHAT kind of lure you're adding...hello!!! NO you wouldnt add a food/couriosity lure to urine...BUT adding a gland lure to urine....well now....THAT'S a different story.... later lynx
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Post by trappnman on Aug 29, 2005 20:17:15 GMT -6
NO you wouldnt add a food/couriosity lure to urine
why? Every set out there but a blind trail set is nothing BUT a curiousity set
are you saying that commercial gland lure is natural and that a dirthole is immitating a canine cache?
I don't buy into that- ANY dirthole using commercial lures is no more natural than me on a Honda.
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Post by JWarren on Aug 29, 2005 20:30:31 GMT -6
Ok so what if you have two separate blends squirted in two seperate spots at the set? I'm going to start mixing an ounce of lure in 16 ounces of fish oil. I really like squirting lure and the idea of dipping twigs in a bottle doesn't appeal to me. I will be using bait and urine in combination with it. I've been catching coyotes on straight fish oil for awhile so I think some FO with the addition of lure will work even better.
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 29, 2005 20:48:30 GMT -6
ya!, but a naked girl on a honda, and you are going to look! warren, I`d think mixing lure and fish oil would just ruin a lot of lure. why not just put the oil down the hole and lure on the lip, or reverse it, either way you get the advantage of 2 sniff points. if the lure is too thick to squirt , thin it with glycerin or water if food base, urine if gland base. if there are large chunks and slime that won`t squirt, strain it thru a window screen- the old montana autoclave trick, for you medical guys- just gets out the big chit.
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Post by foxtrapperwoman on Aug 29, 2005 21:54:52 GMT -6
Can't you guys tell a lure by just smelling it? For those ones that the label fell off the bottle? I am pretty good, at least I can tell a k9 lure from coon lure, from beaver, from mink. Except Stef's Indespensible, one may mistake it as a mink only lure LOL. I spilled some on my shirt 1 day and smelled like a mink all day.
I like the idea of mixing coon lure with fish oil, and have thought of mixing gland lure right in with fox pee.
BTW, I left fox pee in a plastic bottle on the porch all summer, is it still good? I smelled it and the stink lingered, ammonia was strong, but it was not rotten smelling and still had sharp pee scent that made me go uck.
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Post by rk660 on Aug 29, 2005 22:39:38 GMT -6
Come on Jim, just dump 4 or 5 together and smell it! After the first 5 the other 45 will be easy! Its like kissing a girl your very first time, kinda aukward at first, but funner the next time as your confidence grows! I even dumped a bottle of someone's oppssum lure in mine!
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Post by bobwendt on Aug 30, 2005 4:34:44 GMT -6
that pee is still ok steph. ammonia smell is no problem, just if it gets sewer smelling. so when trappers say so and so is a foxy lady, do they mean she smells like fox pee or lure?
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Post by BK on Aug 30, 2005 5:00:43 GMT -6
I'm not surprised to see Steve ripping on my bike here, .....................but Bob you didn't even capitalize Honda? I'm guilty of adding stuff to fox urine, fox and mink anal glands for the most part. I think it did help when fox were so high in price.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 30, 2005 7:29:08 GMT -6
LOL BK- when you said you had a bike...and live in WI...why, I just assumed it would be Milwaukee's finest... Hey, I used to have a Honda...
I've been mixing fish oil and coon lure for at least a decade, and see no negatives and several pluses.
1) easy of luring sets- one squirt and go- no mess, no fuss
2) Extends your lure. You need a large surface area of lure to get the maximum smell. When I squirt fish oil in the set- I have several square inches of fish oil/lure exposed to the air
3) does not reduce effectiveness of lure IF right lure
4) provides a combo of smells- important for those not hungry, sleep walking winter coon
5) gives mink a little something to smell
Only downside is fish oil freezes- which is not a big problem for coon trapping- becasue its weither above freezing or if below freezing, thel ure takes over and in warm ups- the fish oil comes out. You can add antifreeze to fish oil just like you can to urine without hurting it any.
I highly recommend it if trapping coon.
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