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Post by vttrapper on Mar 15, 2005 10:39:07 GMT -6
While sterling swivels are good , and yes i have some, the 1 inch pipe swivels work just as well for me and are alot cheaper. Yep they can foul and so do sterlings.
frank
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Post by MChewk on Mar 15, 2005 10:49:47 GMT -6
Reread and I see your point... my observations have been I typically don't get that muddied situation with a longer chain setup. Short chain yes longer rigs....not often.
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Post by z on Mar 15, 2005 11:00:26 GMT -6
2 or 3 sterlings? I didn't know you used them.......... Frank, No experience with pipe swivels! !
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Post by Stef on Mar 15, 2005 11:08:03 GMT -6
Which one Steve?
Stef
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Post by Edge on Mar 15, 2005 11:19:51 GMT -6
The pic with the Adobe impacted in the swivels........I think the post was about baseplates tho...........
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Mar 15, 2005 13:51:31 GMT -6
stef- the pic of the fox with all the mud, etc drawn to the middle- the one with the entire foot and trap incased in mud on a short chain.
Z- didn't know you you were being brand specific- no, I don't use sterlings and probably never will.
Are you taking the position that sterlings won't foul I nmud with fox on short chains? Cause that was my only point- short chains with fox w/wet caused fouled swivels. And I don't think brand makes one iota of difference.
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Post by blakcoyote on Mar 15, 2005 14:32:27 GMT -6
This is what I'm putting on all my traps.I think they would be less apt to clog,atleast keep it minimal.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 15, 2005 15:03:22 GMT -6
blackcoyote you are getting the picture! No pun intended,those like the sterling swivels have a very low profile and yes in mud you won't have near the problem you have with a wider swivel, less area for mud, grass etc to cling to and they clean themselves out better than any swivel out there. I have had many muddy coyotes and you get acumulation at the baseplate and that swivel but nothing farther up the chain and then the nail head still swivels at the base because you can't get it compacted inside because of the low profile. Bob I have gumbo clay alot of it, but a coyote does move the stake in good solid gumbo maybe 1-2" and you get swiveling because as he goes round and round so does the whole trap, I can see the evidance in the trap bed, it works alot better on smooth rod versus rebar , so I make sure my lap links are big enough to go around rebar nicely as well.. im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b5dd34b3127cce90ea0bcd55a600000016108QctmThy4bG [/img]
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 15, 2005 15:08:27 GMT -6
I wish I could have zoomed in on this but the pic program won't do it, but I think you can still see, this coyote put all that trach up there after a rain and 3 day check, notice the stake is out about 14", this is a 30" rebar stake, look closely at the trap nothing but a mud ball, but the chain from the d ring to the sterling end chain swivel is clean all 3 swivels and chain nothing on them! The low profile swivel(sterling) the welded link chain versus twin loop and the abilty for the whole trap to swivel around the stake head cheaps the coyote there and the swivels and chain all clean and oporational. The stake was still plenty solid. This was a level millet field, then the coyote and mud conditions truned it into a mound, I have found if you let your whole oporation go around the stake it keeps everything working better, coupled with a low profile swivel and machine chain versus twin loop.
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Post by Stef on Mar 15, 2005 15:35:32 GMT -6
These are old pics... I will try to find some in a box somewhere ;D
Later
Stef
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Post by trappnman on Mar 15, 2005 16:04:04 GMT -6
ah......let me read what I posted...
here it is...FOX...here it is again...FOX.
I have zero problems with swivels with coyotes on short chains... but wasn't I talking......
FOX?
btw- I agree trappers who say a swivel at the trap is wasted...
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Post by blakcoyote on Mar 15, 2005 16:33:24 GMT -6
The way I see it all my coyote traps are fox traps,and fox are coyote traps.So I'm hoping that the sterling type swivel will help reduce the fouling for fox.I was also thinking about going down to 8 inches of chain,but after reading all this,maybe it's not the way to go when fox are involved,maybe 12 inches,even at the 16-18 inches I use now,I get fouling when fox are caught,but not much at the trap,but at the mid chain or trap stake,so thinking if I go shorter to the 8 inches,I figured if you put on the least fouling swivel out there,you can atleast minimize the fouling created by fox.When I first started trapping fox,on the short factory chains,I noticed alot of debris fouling,thats why the switch to longer chain.But it seems with the larger trap on fox,this causes more damage to them for me.I'm setting for mainly coyote now,so I'm using the larger trap,which isnt the ideal fox trap,but when you have both in an area,you have to figure out what's best for you.
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Post by Edge on Mar 15, 2005 16:44:33 GMT -6
That setup looks good,Blak,long enough to be out of the way........cooooool.
Edge
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Post by blakcoyote on Mar 15, 2005 16:47:37 GMT -6
That setup looks good,Blak,long enough to be out of the way........cooooool. Edge Thanks,I hope it isnt too long,but it should do what I want.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 15, 2005 16:53:58 GMT -6
btw- I agree with Bob and many western trappers who say a swivel at the trap is wasted?
Tell me how any swivel you add to trap is wasted? The more the better, for the cost and longivity, I don't see how a swivel could be deemed wasted. Again if you talking fox, I have had many hang ups on older style traps where you just had a j hook comming off the side or bottom of a trap, exspecially grays in trashy areas, I much would rather spend the extra money and have that swivel for added insurance on any land animal I trap. The more freedom of movement a coyote can have the better the whole setup works to" my" advantage.
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Post by Stef on Mar 15, 2005 17:23:16 GMT -6
I feel that the swivel at the trap is the most important one. Usually the one that get chewed the most also. When coyotes get tangled up like this one.... you better have a good swivel at the trap... if not = Stef
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Post by trappnman on Mar 15, 2005 17:41:25 GMT -6
Im talking staked traps.
In 99.9999999999999999999% of my sets, I get a large duff pile around the stakes, trap. I find that just about always, the swivel at the trap is buried in duff.
each to their own.....
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Post by Stef on Mar 15, 2005 17:49:23 GMT -6
Not if you're talking fox on stakes with a short chain... the swivel at the trap will be again the most important one because it will be the only one ( most of the time) who will still work. I have plenty of pictures to prove it Stef
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Post by Steve Gappa on Mar 15, 2005 18:20:38 GMT -6
whatever- and I sincerely mean that- last thing im going to do is to argue swivel placement- 2/3 of my traps have one at the trap, 1/3 don't. I see no practical difference.
I have no problems with my setups on yotes and I can't recall ever loosing a fox.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 15, 2005 18:39:34 GMT -6
tman, you quoted me wrong. I said I couldn`t see the use of a rotating swivel at the stake head as the stake head is buried deep by ground duff or just plain underground. All my traps are center swiveled right at the base plate. In the west I am in sand and little vegetation so swivels are amoot point. It`s back east here that I deal with gumbo mud and lots of vegetation to tangle, thus the need for multiple swivels. My traps are set up all as "eastern" traps, and work fine in the west too as they go back and forth with me regularly..
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