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Post by trappnman on Oct 22, 2004 16:55:04 GMT -6
How important are fronts and daily weather changes? The wisdom is canines really move before a front or high pressure or a storm... but do they?
I often hear how before a weather event or during -catches triple and quadruple normal are the norm..but it doesn't seem to pan out that way for me....
My coyotes seem to be consistent- that is- I pick up my "average" number on most days- no real high and low swings.
I do generally feel that clear cool nights turning pc late are aboput ideal- but seem to catch no more on those nights than others.
I do find rainy nights to be the poorest- esp rains starting during daylight hours and continuing all night- but even those nights fool me...
Do you feel you have definite patterns based on weather- beyond the obvious like a total blizzard reduces the catch, etc....
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 22, 2004 18:48:30 GMT -6
the same night as the rain, or the next night if no breaks the first night in the rain. Never ceases to amaze me the washed out sets that get attention, ones that couldn`t even buy a `possum on nice dry nights. I figure just the coyotes way to make you work harder. You can`t beat a coyote even when you catch him.
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Post by redfoxtrapper2000 on Oct 22, 2004 19:17:22 GMT -6
I agree with Bob the next night after the rain or even during the rain sometimes seems to be my best catches on coyotes.
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Post by jsevering on Oct 22, 2004 20:05:41 GMT -6
hard to say.
think around here extended patterns and the changes they cause in the adaptation of the coyotes adjusting to those patterns, in real time and type sets presented play a bigger part in the overal scheme of things.
If I had to pick it would be the one or two day period between storms, or the second day after a good snow, be it sun shine or overcast, they seem to produce best for me.....jim
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 22, 2004 23:20:39 GMT -6
Some of my best catches come after a snowstorm about this time of year.
Seems the coyotes move back and forth from the mountains to the valleys a lot during that kind of event.
Joel
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Post by mattjones298 on Oct 23, 2004 6:16:29 GMT -6
i`m with bob also, the night of the front but the next night is better if you still have equipment working. same thing with a snow.
matt
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 23, 2004 8:52:33 GMT -6
peat peat peat. sets don`t smell anymore, bait and lure and urine washed away, but if that trap will go off and you can jet ski or float into it, by gum, there will be fur caught! You can just about figure 5 coyotes to the inch, of rain that is. If you are in grey/yellow gumbo clay, that goes up to 8 coyotes/inch
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Post by mattjones298 on Oct 23, 2004 13:48:32 GMT -6
that`s right bob and i hope you got some as it`s rained here all day and heading your way from both ways..lol
better go make ya some big ol deep stepdowns...ha ha ha ha ;D
matt
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 23, 2004 13:54:10 GMT -6
yes, I`m sitting in the house hearing it pounding on the roof in waves. Suppose to break off clear about dark, so if there are any out there I will either get them or at least see where they have been sinking in and tipping my traps in the muck. I just left 8 stops out so it won`t be too bad riding the atv to just 8 places, all close. Even tho the early season has pretty well been a bust to this point , I bet I see some eyeballs in the headlamp tomorrow.
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Post by mattjones298 on Oct 23, 2004 14:00:17 GMT -6
bob, are the coyote thin there this time? i know we talked dring oct. last year and i think your coyote catch was alittle better and you where fighting rain then too.
judging from tracks we have a good pup crop here this year, better then the last two anyway but still not the coyotes we had in the late 1990`s back then about 60 sets and all a man cared to skin as we had greys untill about 1998 thick too.
matt
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 23, 2004 16:10:52 GMT -6
it`s a little early to tell, I suppose way short in some areas and heavy in others. Mcilvaine got 26 coyotes off 4 farms from oct 1st to the 15th, so bedford area has plenty. Talked to several (three) 75-100 coyote guys in far separate areas north and south and they all have like 1/2 dozen each in a week. That doesn`t sound too good. I know my local coyotes here are dead or gone as I have caught only one where I got maybe 15 last year. I have the best to go about 25 miles south tho, so we`ll see. I can tell you a whole lot more in about ten days.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 24, 2004 7:02:50 GMT -6
Either 1) I don't have as many coyotes as I have had or 2) with all the standing corn and the last 11 days of rain- they just aren't moving and I'm just picking off the locals.
I'm hoping the latter....
we do have 6 reds already- thats ahead of pace for sure-
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 24, 2004 12:18:56 GMT -6
stories are starting to trickle in of "no coyotes" here in central indiana. I`m pulling this first line tomorrow with 1 coyote and 9 fox, where last year it was like 15 coyote and 20 reds or something like that. This morning only one skunk, on canines no misses no catch , no sign or tracks anywhere. They plain aren`t here. Only choice is move on, should have after the third run but just couldn`t believe they were gone. I should trust my own abilities more. I new after the second run that there were no animals here this year. Well, just proves even an old dog can still learn. hope the next route is better.
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Post by 17kiss on Oct 24, 2004 12:26:48 GMT -6
Bob , am with you , Went from 5-6 a day to 1 today on reds and only 3 coyotes. Am pulling this line tomorrow and setting another on saturday. have to finish a couple jobs up quick so I can hit a longer line. Steve , would be nice if you are right , have about 50% of fields still in beans and corn. Probably run back through after running other lines. Ende first week with 27 reds , 8 nice coon , 3 coyotes and 3 greys
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 24, 2004 13:43:18 GMT -6
kiss, by indiana standards that is great. I doubt a trapper in the state will top 27 reds here the whole season. Will be a few 100 coyote catches tho. Remembering the days I would get 30-35 reds A DAY for sustained periods, in wyoming ,before the mange got them ,really gives me a gut ache now.
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Post by 17kiss on Oct 24, 2004 16:48:59 GMT -6
Thought I had hitten paydirt , but it played out quick.Will see what rest of season looks like. 5 days and gone from now on ,on fox. Dont have a 30 -35 a day population that is for sure.
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 24, 2004 17:34:48 GMT -6
those were definitly golden days, just a small window of opportunity where everything came togather at the same time- me, the weather, the prices, and the population to work with. One thing I can say, even at the time I knew I was living in a very very special time and place that would not last, and I appreciated every minute of it. But still close my eyes and can relive those glory days. ha , while I struggle thru the mud for my 1 fox a day now! I just hope the heck this is a special time and place that won`t last either!
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Oct 24, 2004 18:49:41 GMT -6
I know what ya mean Bob. I remember being 25 years old and having the world at my feet.
What you caught was proportional to how many hours you put in rather than how long the knees hold out.
Trucks were ten grand and coyotes were $75. Gas was 60 cents and cats were $300.
Ate my lunch while climbing the hill to a cat set, had 2-3 coyotes in the truck before daylight.
God if I only knew then what I know now.
I hope the younger fellows that want it get the experience.
Joel
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Post by bobwendt on Oct 24, 2004 18:59:27 GMT -6
joel, I think that is why the diehard anti fighters are top heavy in guys in our age bracket. We have seen the best of times and it breaks our hearts to think the young bucks and our grandchildren or in fact anybodys grandchildren may not get to live those glory days as we have done. I always thought they should draft 50-60 year old guys to go fight wars instead of 18 year olds. We have lived our lives and raised our kids. We are smart and fearless and tough. Old guys would be be super. God save the young ones with sweethearts at home and lives to live. That is a good prayer for the day.
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Post by coyote on Oct 24, 2004 19:05:10 GMT -6
man, if you REALLY want to put the fear of God into our enemies, just throw a Division of menopausal women-folk at 'em!
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