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Post by trappnman on Jul 16, 2004 7:15:09 GMT -6
We have touched on this before a little- when we were talking setting on sign.
But it has been brought up again in regards to using lures higher up than the set itself. The thought being- that if you weren't set up on location- a higher up lure would call caniones from an undetermined distance- be it coyotes or fox.
Is setting up on location a problem? Why?
On coyotes- if you have even a modicum of canine sense- you will be setting up...where there are canines..or on location so to speak.
And remember, coyotes average 10-12 miles a night wandering...as I said- getting coyotes to visit my traps aren't a concern at all.
I KNOW the coyotes will find my sets- My job is to get them to stick their nose down the hole.
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If you are canine trapping, its pretty HARD to set up not being on location.
If you are new, obviously location is a priority. And the beginings of locations aren't that hard to find- get out and walk. You find sign...you are on location.
You find sign in a bunch of areas that have similar habitat, conditions..you have a clue to what constitutes a good location.
So- I'd like to hear from some of you- old trappers and new...is being on location a problem for you?
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 16, 2004 7:28:32 GMT -6
I have one farm that is about 80 acres that is close to home. I set it up with about 8 - 10 traps every year all over the farm...and every year I do well there. The problem is I always catch them at different spots. There isn't one stand-out location on that farm.
Would I harvest all of the fox by setting up only one of those locations? Maybe.
One thing I have noticed is that If I set up two or three spots on a farm, I rarely get more than 2 fox in a remake....sometimes the set will go dead after one. The sets that are further away will start producing. Maybe I need some lessons in remakes.
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Post by MChewk on Jul 16, 2004 8:19:59 GMT -6
Coonduke...have you tried creating a location? Throw a bay of hay out and let it melt down and flip it over occasionally...big eye appeal. Chunk of tree stump, big pile of dirt etc. By using these objects it may help you narrow down your hot spots....With all that said I have experienced what you stated also...Thats why I set alot of good to medicre spots and get surprised every year.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 16, 2004 9:30:36 GMT -6
Mike,
I think some of the problem may not be not enough locations...I think there may be too many. Field road intersections, fencerow ends, woods corners, grass patches, fences, gates, ATV trails, grass patches, hollow tops. I could probably narrow it down if I take some away...LOL.
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Post by 17HMR on Jul 16, 2004 9:43:10 GMT -6
I always look for trails on saddles and ridges , farmer trails, edges, seems that I dont have to see sign any more but I prefer it. Jeff
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 16, 2004 9:50:16 GMT -6
In my area, fox really like to travel the "benches" on the hillslopes. Easier walking on the flat part of the contour.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jul 16, 2004 10:44:27 GMT -6
The only time I would use a call lure up high would be If I was trying to atrract a animal from where I couldn't set traps. Like no permision.
Then It would still be a rare situation.
Keep the lure at the set.
Who you calling OLD. LOL
Beav
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Post by buckeyehunter on Jul 16, 2004 12:05:44 GMT -6
Having trapped years ago and called fox since, I am fairly confident with finding the right fox location as the fox in my area are pretty evenly distributed. Coyotes are an altogether different story as they are not as widespread as the fox. Matt Jones' latest coyote video
helped me see where to set if the coyotes were using a specific piece of property. I am just not confident enough in knowing which farms or areas would have coyotes.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 16, 2004 12:33:48 GMT -6
buckeyehunter- easiest way- is to go to farm that have mixed brush, mixed crops, some terrian features, and ask the farmer about coyotes. Farmers are your best source.
Once you get a few farms pattern, its no harder than finding fox locations.
Perhaps one tip is that the best location- is often that point BETWEEN 2 good locations....
Connect the dots.
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Post by Rob220swift on Jul 16, 2004 12:36:04 GMT -6
There are locations and there are LOCATIONS. I have available hundreds of miles of woods roads that are available for trapping. Any one of them will have coyote traffic from time to time, but it is essential for me to find the "spot on the spot", when making sets. A dead deer can change patterns quickly around here and it pays to not only scout early for well used locations, but throughout the season for abrupt shifts in areas of coyote usage. I do find that the hot spots are nearly always used no matter what time of year it is.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 16, 2004 13:02:37 GMT -6
yes- that timber/bog trapping you have up there...I'd rather have Zags rain/mud....I think location would be vital..and perhaps ever changing. Here- a good location...is.  |
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Post by tim125 on Jul 16, 2004 16:17:40 GMT -6
a good location is anywhere you can catch the type animal you are after
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Post by chub618 on Jul 16, 2004 16:30:49 GMT -6
well im going to start off setting where i have seen yotes travel in the past while bow hunting and adjust from there. i only have a few farms that i have yet to see a yote but i know there there the dang thangs can get vocal toward dark time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by conibear1 on Jul 16, 2004 17:27:36 GMT -6
I think there is some good information on this thread. Like Buckeyehunter, I am still in the dark with good coyote locations in this farm country. It is new to me because I have not experienced coyotes prior to moving to this area.
One day last January, I was out scouting and found a heavy brush area(like steve mentioned) with a fence running along it. Opposite the brush, was a water hole for the landowner's buffalo. I found coyote hair on the lower barb wire of that fence in several locations going into that brush. I would have thought the canines/coyotes would have run paralell with the fence, but no, they were going under it at various spots.
Knowing fox some, I beleive they would have stayed along the fence until the end of the brush, and then trail in.
I am excited to scout more for this season knowing there is a difference between the two. Matt's video sounds like a good one to learn from.
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Post by Hornhunter on Jul 17, 2004 6:33:38 GMT -6
My area to trap Is logging roads also. You can have them taking bait regular. Then Moose season starts. Carcasses here and their and they quit taking bait just before trapping season starts.  Things settle down and they return eventually. Then deer season starts and they are hard to come by again. |
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Post by Rgrobe on Jul 17, 2004 8:14:28 GMT -6
Hard to pick spots for fox or coyote here. All hard packed ground mostly pasture ground very little sign.Only been trapping canines for 2 years and I'm having a hard time finding the best spots to trap.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 17, 2004 9:30:20 GMT -6
Maybe we can help- where are you from?
If rolling pastures- and if you have coyotes- the rough cover is going to be the key.
If the rouh cover areas are few and far between- then you will ave to trap around them. Look for the trails going into the rough area, and set up around them.
Say a ravine---set up where the coyotes are coming out to go into the pastures- deer trails are the place to srat...go to where the trails are out into the pasture a little, and make your dirtholes, flats sets arond then. Sae with cattle trails, the coyotes will take the easy routes
Or woods- same type of setup.
If the rough places are scattered here and there- but within a mile or three- you can try to find the routes the coyotes are travelling between areas- and set up on that. Keep this in mind- coyotes are like you and me- they will take the easy way unless they have a reason not to (on average)...so look for the easy routes.
Look for the "flow"...
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Post by TDunn on Jul 17, 2004 17:57:24 GMT -6
I'm pretty new to this coyote business. When I'm out on the logging roads walking one of the the beagles on a leash, I like to pay attention to the spots, features, objects ect. where THEY pay attention. Even if its someplace I'm not going to trap, I think it helps me spot set locations in the areas where I am trapping. But whadda I know........
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Post by Rgrobe on Jul 17, 2004 23:51:21 GMT -6
Thanks trappnman. I live about 30 miles south of St. Louis, Mo. The past 2 years my catch of canines I've gotten 7 foxes and 11 coyotes. Caught the foxes the 1st year and were I caught them this year I caught coyotes. It was the best spot in the area for canines but I don't know what it will be like this year as someone has built a house on the property next door over looking the hay field about 70 yards from where my sets are usually at.I tried some fence rows between pasture and hay fields but all I caught were coons and tried a woods road that went from a bottom pasture to the hay field and that didn't work.I know they occupy that area because the farmer who owns the property sees them crossing the road into the piece of property.He has about 80 acres there but I just can't seem to find the best spot yet.there is a ravine that leads up to the hayfield that has trees bulldozed along it on one side where that started clearing to make the field bigger and might try settin along it this season.1 area of woods I got to trap has several roads cut threw it and I see coyote tracks in the mud after arain running the roads would I be better off setting where several of the roads cross or come together at then setting on a single road? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 18, 2004 8:51:05 GMT -6
No doubt about it- setting at multiple travel locations, such as where field roads cross, is good. That gives you coyotes coming in from 4 directions.
Heres a good key also- you say you are finding coyote tracks in certain areas- if yo ugo back a time or 2- and fresh tracks are usually threre- thats a hotspot more likely than not- at least for the local coyotes.
Heres something to try in your good location from last year. Go to where you caught the coyotes- and look around- where is a nice high spot or an area next to a hidden spot where you can make sets.
Now- put a good visual by that high spot, for example, that can be readily seen by the coyotes i nthe old location- and then set your sets up in the unseen location near the visual. Use a large bone, a white rock in a dark field, dig a big hole and leave the dirt by it- anything that looks is an eye catcher- and the yotes should work it.
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