Bait or lure?

[trappincoyotes39]

When we talk curiosity are we meaning ingredients that are food or gland based or a mixture of such? or do you mean curiosity lures made up of exotic musk and oils that wouldn't fit the bill as a gland or food to a coyote?

[trappnman]

there aren't any warm months that are lean around here- food is everywhere

what response does curiosity take?

don't you know- curiosity killed the cat (and coyote)?

do you not use any lures but gland, and food baits?

if you use anything else- then you know what curiosity lures do

[trappincoyotes39]

TMan not lean as far as numbers per say lean as far as ability to capture and kill prey for food for those pups that have little experience on their own and the young prey base learning quicker and more cover as the summer goes on. I have cut open a lot of coyote stomachs and August is when you will find a lot of beetles and hoppers in them and less meat for sure than any other time of year. They are easy and available, birds and mice come next I feel many of those birds are fresh killed by other means than the coyote itself killing those meadow larks.

Lure testing have you tested curiosity lures t see what response they provide at a set? Again curiosity is a broad term one would need to quantify what that means before we could label anything such.

I use baits and some could be considered curiosity because they have rat gland,mink glands or lanolin in them, yet to me they a still a bait as the primary ingredient is meat based from either horse or bobcat. Some garner a better longer response than others, same with many lures.

[trappnman]

I don't follow your questions about the definition of curiosity- I think for this discussion we all understand the term- if you still do not- then let me qualify it by saying this- curiosity is to be intrigued by something

and followed up by wanting to "know more"

and that all starts by putting their nose in the hole- and after that, I don't care or even think about their reaction since its a moot point.

as far as what I find on old sets- its the same reaction most see- the holes dug out and blown out.

if you want to consider baits mixed with non edible exotic things as baits (which, by time honored definition has come to mean, in the trapping world, edibles) then that fine by me- but they really are just bulky, meat based lures and to me, fall into that curiosity factor. but by your definition of baits being food and working better in certain times- I use bait the same summer and winter, and will continue to do so

I think I could argue quite successfully, that NO commercial bait is an edible-

lets get back to the main discussion here- I think enough time has been spent on definitions.

the original discussion was do lures that are successful in the fall, also successful in the spring and winter- and my answer was, and is, that YES, a good curiosity lure (not sex lures, not food) works for me, all season- and that's all I can go on.

as far as lean eating in those months, its simply not true- HERE

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman I think you would be surprised at what a coyote will eat and chew on aggressively when it comes to baits and lures! Some of which you think is exotics they will try and consume. The state had a great getter bait called canine call B bait yep made with canine call a mix of what some would considers exotics, on M-44's you have a coyote pull it which is the desired result and others would come by clean that getter head and chew like crazy on the fleet wrapping at times down to the metal.

That is what one is looking for and they must find it edible to the palate or why continue to chew aggressively on the head?

[trappnman]

I have no doubt they do-

but that has nothing to do with lure/bait preference