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Post by trappnman on Oct 27, 2014 16:38:53 GMT -6
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Post by Aaron.F on Oct 27, 2014 17:53:24 GMT -6
Nice pictures, looks like fun.
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Post by trappnman on Oct 27, 2014 18:31:11 GMT -6
it was fun- he plumb wore buddy out walking him at remakes
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Post by blackmamba on Oct 27, 2014 19:16:04 GMT -6
glad to see you have plenty of pups this year.good deal!how many so far on loop 2?
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Post by bogio on Oct 27, 2014 21:02:03 GMT -6
Tman, What can you tell about the locations here? Big attraction close by? Any new locations on this loop this year and do you feel you are having success finding overlaps? You need to get that young man a youth rifle and get that butt stock up in his shoulder pocket!
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Post by braveheart on Oct 28, 2014 2:41:31 GMT -6
Getting all the loose ends done.Getting the itch to go trap some coyotes.Good job on the coyotes color looks pretty good compared to us. Marty
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Post by trappnman on Oct 28, 2014 6:57:04 GMT -6
they aren't looking too bad- and the half doz coon I've taken last 3 days are very nice- course, they are all bigger boars, but the bellies look good
my biggest problem on coyote color, is I get that slight golden tinge occasionally- but any real off colors don't seem to occur like they used to
Bogio, I've picked up a few, maybe 8-9 new locations this year, spread out across the loops. At my age, I know I'm not going to run harder (meaning longer days and more traps)Read a thing Danny Clifton said that I totally agree with, and that is if you are on coyotes, than 50 traps gives me all the coyotes I want to handle- and if its an off day...well, then I just get home early that day.
the next loop will be 75-80 traps, and then the last 2 loops are an overlap/semi combined loops to finish off year, and by the time I pull I'll have 100+ out, and will finish up that way.
What I've done somewhat last year, and far more this year, is to finalize my loops and farms- this allows me more time to pinpoint locations, and also since I've run basically the same patterns for 5 years , has given me some familiarity with the farmers allowing me more access on the farms, and several "you know I got another farm over there" stuff- so trying to trap smarter, eliminated some none productive and time consuming little swings
this loop is shorter because there really are few big attractions- lots hillier country, smaller farms and few dairy, but small beef operations. If I wanted to maximize coyotes on this loop, I really should stay longer, but I'd rather be moving on.
yeah, cody does need a youth rifle- found he was a little better shot with me stabilizing the barrel.
marty, except for 2oz of revenge and 2 oz of plenty coyotes, everything has been 100% on your lures and bait.
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Post by bogio on Oct 28, 2014 19:31:02 GMT -6
this loop is shorter because there really are few big attractions- lots hillier country, smaller farms and few dairy, but small beef operations. If I wanted to maximize coyotes on this loop, I really should stay longer, but I'd rather be moving on. marty, except for 2oz of revenge and 2 oz of plenty coyotes, everything has been 100% on your lures and bait. So with the different topography and fewer numbers/types of large attractions available, does your setting criteria change as well in terms of what you look for in locations on this loop? Also, do you see a difference in how the coyotes come? You indicated multiple doubles and a triple in addition to the singles on your first loop. Does this loop produce multiple catches at a comparable rate? When you say that to maximize this loop you would need to stay longer, is that due to a less predictable area usage since the large attractions aren't there to concentrate them? It doesn't surprise me that Marty's KEG CREEK LURES are producing for you. Good stuff. I'm trying a couple of ones I've not used before this year. THE SUN SHINES BLACK IN THE COYOTE'S WORLD!
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Post by braveheart on Oct 29, 2014 5:18:49 GMT -6
I use to use the plenty coyote before I met Ron Hanson.I am glad the stuff is working for ya.Last night had a group yapping at me going to give them the Black Sun Shine treatment Saturday. Thanks for the good words !! Marty
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Post by trappnman on Oct 29, 2014 14:38:32 GMT -6
Its one of those areas, that has coyotes, but there simply are no large draws. I used to take quite a few coyotes out of the area back when I ran only one large loop, and kept traps there 2-3 weeks. one thing that is different- there is a large winter hunting crowd in the area, and I know they hit the same farms, and the farmers themselves, being smaller guys, have the time to harasses them also. I just don't have the coyotes on that loop, that's a fact- had 2 farms, with a calf out for a week or more, swa no sign- its an area some might just pass up- but as I said, its a short loop and I do take coyotes, and incidentals.
perceptive bogio- no, no doubles on this loop- all singletons even at multiple spot locations. Loop one, had fully 40% of my take, in doubles.
Start setting up loop 3 tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 19:30:26 GMT -6
Now you're talking about MY CONDITIONS= loop #2!!!! I have one property owner who has a few feeders and a calf died so he dragged it out to a spot in the brush over one week ago and nothing has touched it which is a NORMAL occurrence here. Your #2 loop and my normal, everyday loop appear to be very, very simialr except set on a fewer % of farms. It's good to understand again and realign ourselves that while all/most coyotes may be the same, the territory and conditions where they live and we trap may be very different! I think this is why Bigio ask those particular questions. Sometimes, perspectives or assumptions during our discussions need to be put in place/alignment!
I think I've told this story before on here but I think it's appropriate to do so again. I had bought some coyote boards from Larry Hall out of LaGrange IN and he had a relative working up here and said he'd send them up with him. I met the fella and had a beer with him sitting at his picnic table when I went to get my boards. It just so happened that this fella was renting a house smack dab inside my west coyote loop and he had the reputation of being a seriously good coyote trapper. I ask him if he was going to trap the coyotes we were hearing while sipping on the beer? He laughed at me and said, "you ain't got no coyotes here!" He went on to tell me"if I wanted to catch some coyote, I'd spend my 2 weeks of Christmas vacation down home in Indiana and kill far more coyotes during those two weeks then I could ever catch in 2 months around here!"
That short amount of time I sat there drinking beer, listening to the coyotes, and have an experinced coyote trapper tell me "you ain't got no coyote here!" has been my "alignment pin" ever since whenever I read or participate in a coyote discussion. I can read, watch, and hear all the blah-blah about trapping coyotes BUT it all is only RELATIVE TO THE CONDITIONS you/I have to work with!!! I'm extremely confident when I say, that nobody can catch 200 coyote where 200 coyote don''t exist!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 1, 2014 6:21:10 GMT -6
never that has always been the fact, you can't catch what isn't there, but YOU can maximize your catch no matter where you live. Will you have the same success numbers wise? not as other areas with higher densities but your catch ratio can and should remain high. Out west tough to get coyotes to feed on deer carcasses in fall to much other stuff to be had like antelope and deer left by hunters etc.Not to mention they get shuffled around after 7 weeks of rifle hunting between antelope and deer seasons. Change the timing to January / March and they become much more carrion dependent then and will really work over bait stations at these times. Location is the key and they congregate much more in the months mentioned it is a natural thing for them to do so. They are looking for protein rich foods to eat many of those pregnant females need it for sure. I have had 50+ coyotes all staging within 3 miles or less of an early spring calving ranch. Their hold up areas shrink and they key in on that easy source of protein after birth and dead calves the sights,sounds and smells attract them annually. Not much different than the deer yards of the NE they are their for a reason in larger than avg numbers. Everyone needs to find their places to maximize the catch, be it 6 coyotes or 30 . My biggest thing is I don't like setting traps/snares in areas that will produce a few coyotes I want to set in areas that will give me the max number on a larger scope. That differs greatly from working denning situation in spring and summer. I had a great opportunity to see old 1080 maps and where they placed these draw stations many not all of them are areas where I would trap and snare that told me I have figured it out to a degree by looking at these old maps, one station per township. maximize the amount of coyote traffic in the area regardless of densities. Here is a little reading you might find some interest in digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1115&context=gpwdcwp
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Post by trappnman on Nov 1, 2014 6:46:45 GMT -6
while density is of course an important part of the equation, at the same time, the type of terrain must be taken into account as well.
As well as the type and quantity of food available.
never is dealing with, I'm guessing, for the most part big woods or other types of continuous habitat. And that is exactly the type of terrain I encountered on that loop- lots and lots of steep, wooded coulees and hillsides- with multiple small farms at every edge of these valleys and coulees.
I think on a per mile, or per township measure, the density is probably the same as in other areas that are far more productive- the difference is in the number of destination points. since my coffee reference didn't satisfy all- look at it like a place with 1 store in a 10 mile area. Everyone in town, will be in that store sooner or later. Now compare that with towns that have a store on every corner....................far too many choices, and none stand out.
so its more of a waitng game.
two points-
1) if I was to follow the spot reasoning 100%, I'd simply bypass those areas, since I DO have other places to go.
2) "YOU can maximize your catch no matter where you live. Will you have the same success numbers wise? not as other areas with higher densities but your catch ratio can and should remain high."
I agree, and disagree with this statement. First, yes, I do believe that within any area, by thinking of the concepts that allow maximized WORKING of sets by the coyotes there, your chances of success are better. BUT- at the same time- I also believe that your catch ratios ARE going to suffer simply because there is nothing to concentrate coyotes, and nothing to but set your best options, and wait. And waiting gives one far lower trap night/coyote success.
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Post by bogio on Nov 5, 2014 23:25:07 GMT -6
while density is of course an important part of the equation, at the same time, the type of terrain must be taken into account as well. As well as the type and quantity of food available. never is dealing with, I'm guessing, for the most part big woods or other types of continuous habitat. And that is exactly the type of terrain I encountered on that loop- lots and lots of steep, wooded coulees and hillsides- with multiple small farms at every edge of these valleys and coulees. I think on a per mile, or per township measure, the density is probably the same as in other areas that are far more productive- the difference is in the number of destination points. since my coffee reference didn't satisfy all- look at it like a place with 1 store in a 10 mile area. Everyone in town, will be in that store sooner or later. Now compare that with towns that have a store on every corner....................far too many choices, and none stand out. I've been kicking this around for a few days as I, and I'm sure most others also, have areas similar to what you are describing here. While this loop might lack a large concentrating type of attraction like a dairy, it none the less does have smaller cattle operations which are going to serve as an attraction to the coyotes in the area. While pressure from hunting groups might knock out some coyotes later in the season, your statement above indicates that you feel that population densities are on par with your more productive loops. So we have attractions and we have a workable population. That leaves us with the coyote himself and the fact that he is governed by innate behaviors. Through these behaviors, social grouping and structure/interaction should be occurring which will give us the same types of overlap areas that are found in the more productive/conventional areas of our lines. If these overlaps are found, and the population is there, a loop like this one should be as productive as any other.
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Post by trappnman on Nov 6, 2014 8:31:19 GMT -6
the thing I believe bogio, is simply that there is no overlap "concentration" points.
I think the store analogy is apt- while over time, multiple coyotes will visit most of the stores, there is no timeline, and no reason to visit THIS store during a set period.
but you bring up an interesting point- how much social interaction occurs among non related coyotes, for no other reason than social interaction? And one must look at another facet of the equation- even in areas of overlap, main attraction stall out area overlap- is the overlapping (meaning use of same area)occurring at the same time (are there multiple coyote groups present at the same time)or is it a matter of, throughout the night/day coyotes from multiple groups using the same area, but at different times?
lets make it a very real example- we have a deep rocky coulee- housing lots of small game, lots of habitat, for the most part unused by humans except during deer season- and we know coyotes are there- now, around that coulee you have multiple smaller ravines and coulees, all irregular in shape, and once on the flats, you have 10-12 farms adjoining that coulee- most of those having strip crops, and anywhere from 20-100 cows.
so my question is- why WOULD there be overlap?
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Post by bogio on Nov 6, 2014 12:23:48 GMT -6
the thing I believe bogio, is simply that there is no overlap "concentration" points. I think the store analogy is apt- while over time, multiple coyotes will visit most of the stores, there is no timeline, and no reason to visit THIS store during a set period. but you bring up an interesting point- how much social interaction occurs among non related coyotes, for no other reason than social interaction? And one must look at another facet of the equation- even in areas of overlap, main attraction stall out area overlap- is the overlapping (meaning use of same area)occurring at the same time (are there multiple coyote groups present at the same time)or is it a matter of, throughout the night/day coyotes from multiple groups using the same area, but at different times? lets make it a very real example- we have a deep rocky coulee- housing lots of small game, lots of habitat, for the most part unused by humans except during deer season- and we know coyotes are there- now, around that coulee you have multiple smaller ravines and coulees, all irregular in shape, and once on the flats, you have 10-12 farms adjoining that coulee- most of those having strip crops, and anywhere from 20-100 cows. so my question is- why WOULD there be overlap? What I am saying is: In an area with sufficient coyote population, is the existence of a singular dominant attraction paramount to the existence of an overlap area or rather do the overlaps exist by virtue of the coyote's being a coyote and having an instinctual/behavioral need for social structure and interaction?
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Post by trappnman on Nov 6, 2014 17:12:21 GMT -6
I would think yes- that without the singular dominant attraction, there is no reason to circumvent their innate behaviors by sharing territory.
a quote you might or might not agree with- There is a considerable amount of variability in coyote social organizations. In many areas, most coyotes are solitary outside of the breeding season. In other areas, such as Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and Jasper, Alberta, groups of coyotes are frequently observed. Coyote social organization is influenced by prey size. In populations where the major prey items throughout the year are small rodents, coyotes tend to be solitary. In populations where large animals are available {e.g., elk (Cervus elaphus), and deer (Odocoileus spp.)}, large groups of coyotes form.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 8, 2014 21:07:32 GMT -6
Tman what you call coulees out west we call draws and I had much of the ground along the Cheyenne river drainage that was close to what you speak of, given that those coyotes still had communal areas inside of all those main draws and the side draws which they favored for spring denning locations.
Given the fact that this was rough ground and much less road access I located thse top choice areas which would bring me the maximum number of coyotes living down in this large area of real estate. The area I speak of was 4-6 miles N/S with no roads and 8 miles long with no roads going into it, full of draws/drainages and not being able to access more equipment on trails and cover change ups I needed to find the drive so to speak of these coyotes and set up 3-4 spots to take the bulk of the coyotes that lived in the expansive area m knowing the river was a boundary and in the fall/winter shuffle the ability of these coyotes to want to disperse in north to NW direction lead me to a few key spots to set up. These where very productive for multiple catches at these multiple spots for a period of time. I was not there to cream and go but to catch,call and kill the bulk of these prior to spring calving on two larger cattle ranches who both experienced past depredation from coyotes.
This study can show that there is overlap even within the confines of a major city and shows how those coyotes go about and around ground that has nothing to really offer those coyotes. Skip those areas and key in on the common spots........
GPS-collars and VHF (Very High Frequency) radio-collars allow researchers to identify the location of coyotes throughout the day and night without disturbing normal animal routines. Coyote locations are recorded as coordinates and entered into a Geographic Information System (GIS) in order to determine their activity patterns, home ranges, territories, and habitat selection.
ACTIVITY PATTERNS IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS Coyotes in the Chicago metropolitan area appear to confine most of their activity to nocturnal hours, which has been observed by virtually all studies of urban coyotes, whereas in natural areas, coyotes tend to be diurnal (active during the day) or crepuscular (active at dawn and dusk). The activity patterns of coyotes depend upon many environmental and individual factors, such as the availability of prey, avoidance of predation or human-related activities, and life-history strategies, such as hunting strategies and social organization.
Figure 1. Patterns of activity of radio-collared coyotes See Fig. 1.-- Patterns of activity for radio collared coyotes in the Chicago metropolitan area from 2000 to 2002. Bars represent the proportion of locations in which a coyote was active per hour of radio telemetry. Dots/lines represent the number of locations recorded per hour.
Switching to nocturnal activity patterns in urban areas may be an adaptive response that allows coyotes to minimize contact with humans, reducing risks associated with encounters while still allowing them to exploit the environment. However, coyotes are likely to individually vary in their responses to human activity even within the same population area.
Coyote responses to people may depend upon the degree to which coyotes can habituate to humans or find shelter from them.
HOME RANGES & TERRITORIES Home ranges are the areas used by animals to meet their daily needs and may overlap with home ranges of neighbors. Home range size can be an important indicator of habitat quality or the distribution of resources. Territories are also home ranges except that they are defended from other individuals and do not overlap. In the case of coyotes, groups (or packs) defend their territories from other groups, whereas solitary coyotes do not defend their home ranges.
Other studies have shown that territory sizes of coyotes decrease with increased urbanization given adequate food is available. In general, research has found that urban coyotes tend to have smaller territories than rural coyotes. Many coyote territories are associated with large parks or forest preserves, which provide an abundance of cover and food. In these cases, the boundaries of territories will often follow the park boundaries.
It was interesting to discover, however, that other coyotes have been able to establish territories and form packs without the benefit of large blocks of habitats. This formation of packs and territories can even occur in downtown areas, if parks or natural areas exist in scattered, small patches. Sometimes these are coyotes that have created territories in residential areas or complexes of small parks and golf courses.
Figure 2. Distribution of coyote packs (example) In either case, coyotes manage to defend these territories so that the territories have very little overlap, which controls their density and spatial arrangement across the landscape. This is frequently called a land-tenure system. There is still much to learn about how coyotes maintain packs in downtown areas. See the coyote stories page for examples of how some coyotes live in downtown Chicago and suburban areas.
See Fig. 2.-- Distribution of coyote packs during 2004. The area of the map encompasses at least 12 cities over 260 square miles. Each color represents the home range of an alpha male or female that represents the territorial boundary for the pack. Some territories are fragmented as a result of the computer model used to estimate the boundaries, but it is obvious that territories have only limited overlap.
SOLITARY VS. PACK COYOTES Radio-tracking revealed two different types of movement patterns affecting home range size among coyotes in Cook County. These differences were related to social behavior: whether a coyote was associated with a pack (pack coyote) or not (solitary coyote).
Pack coyotes, also known as resident coyotes, are those that belong to pack. Coyotes in a pack share a territory, which they defend together. In Cook County, pack coyotes have smaller territories than solitary coyotes, averaging less than 2 square miles (4.95 km2) but as large as 4.3 square miles (11.1km2). Solitary coyotes, also sometimes known as transient coyotes, are those coyotes that do not yet belong to a pack and therefore do not have a territory that they defend. In Cook County, solitary coyotes range over much larger areas and have home ranges averaging 10 square miles (26.8 km2). Unlike home ranges of many coyote residents, home ranges of transients were not composed exclusively within natural fragments, although natural land cover was still the most used land-cover type.
Figure 3. Distribution of coyote home ranges (Chicago suburbs example) See Fig. 3.-- Distribution of coyote home ranges during 2004. Light green lines represent the home ranges of solitary coyotes, while the smaller colored areas represent the territorial boundaries of packs (as seen in the previous figure). O’Hare International Airport is located in the lower right corner. The large home ranges of solitary coyotes overlap territories of packs as well as home ranges of other solitary individuals.
As the Cook County Coyote Project has progressed, individual coyotes have been followed as they change from solitary coyotes with large movement patterns to social groups with small territories (and vice versa). Approximately 50% of the coyotes radio-collared as subadults (one to two years of age) or adults have been solitary for at least a portion of the study.
The home ranges of solitary coyotes span large portions of the metropolitan area, and they overlap extensively with pack territories as well as other solitary coyotes. Solitary coyotes use a wide variety of habitats and can be found in virtually any part of the metropolitan area, even in downtown areas. Some solitary coyotes have been observed finding mates and establishing their own territories, whereas others eventually disperse and leave the area permanently. In a few cases, resident adult coyotes have left their territories after the death of a mate.
Figure 4. Distribution of home ranges among habitat types (Chicago area) Habitat Selection: Despite differences in the size of home ranges, resident and solitary coyotes both rely on using natural areas heavily and avoid urban grass, residential and urban land areas.
See Fig. 4.-- Distribution of annual home ranges of resident (yellow lines) and solitary (white lines) coyotes in the Chicago metropolitan area during 2004.
For example, in Cook County, home ranges of resident coyotes are typically associated with natural habitats and in many cases these home ranges exist almost completely within large habitat fragments. The boundaries of coyote home ranges usually follow the borders between parks and surrounding development. However, it has also been found that individuals vary in their use of habitat; 29% of collared coyotes have home ranges composed of less than 10% of natural land and 8% having no measurable patches of natural land within their home ranges.
Figure 5. Habitat use variability between coyotes map (Chicago area) Despite considerable differences in the size and composition of territories and home ranges of individual coyotes, the majority of both transient and resident coyotes avoid urbanized areas. Locations of collared coyotes indicate that they avoid human areas either by restricting their movements to boundaries of natural habitat fragments or by focusing their activities within series of smaller patches of undeveloped areas within their home ranges. These findings support previous diet research in the study area, which found that food items associated with natural areas (such as rodents and fruit) dominate the coyote diet, rather than human-related food items.
The locations of radio-collared coyotes depicted in Fig. 5 illustrate coyote selection of natural areas and avoidance of residential areas within their home ranges.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 8, 2014 21:08:39 GMT -6
You can click on these to look at a larger view, notice the overlap in this area and this would be primarily small prey base. Interesting study. Notice where the overlaps are and the key features. ;"]
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Nov 8, 2014 21:41:23 GMT -6
Here is the area I was talking about in SD
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