Opening Day!

[bblwi]

I have a couple days of work to get done and we had 2 inches just today with more possible through Thursday AM!! Good coon sign I am just waiting to determine when to get going with our lower quality early coons. With several inches of rain a lot of trails will be flooded early and we can only dry land set until the 25th. Most corn still out with only half the silage off if that yet and now it will be another week before they run again, maybe more. Need to get the 4-wheeler lined up as the field roads will be muddy and soft for sure this fall.

Bryce

[trappnman]

well, first night had that all night rain from about 5 to 7 in morning, not much moving- only had 2

set additional traps, about all we will be running about 60 on this loop- had 2 singletons, 1 double, and 1 triple- lori took video of triple if I get time I'll post it tomorrow also 1 skunk and 1 possum- with low predictions on skunks, unless an exceptional prime one, won't be skinning them as I thought I might

[trappnman]

heres that triple. 4 traps here- 2 by the 1 (other trap at head of weed line) and 2 by the 2.

both videos





a location I just like-




camera broke while unloading these- lens error and from what I can read, costs more to fix so ordered one last night

[trappnman]

and Marty- start bottling and selling that P lure!

[blackmamba]

are any of those locations the spot? i have been reading the archives and past threds and were you set looks like what i see in hawbaaker and carmen books.i have not caught many yotes but your locations look like fox locations i see in different books.hope you can help,thanks in advance.

[trappnman]

they are all MY spots.... LOL


had a singleton at the triple- so 4 in 2 days- seems to be the spot, which is why 4 traps.... whats important is what you can't see, that is there.

in any case, yes, quite a few of the locations are what I consider the best spot, using the semantics of the spot discussions- but I'm careful to no longer show reference points or whats around the set location. what you see is a coyote in a trap

sorry that's just my mindset nowadays

but the locations aren't fox locations- not by any means- not even coon locations-

[trappnman]

what is your mental picture of what "the spot" should or must be? do you think it's static? do you think that it needs certain physical properties?

Or- can the physical location be of countless variations, with the cerebral aspects of a location vis a vis a coyote remaining constant?

that's where your thoughts should be going........

[blackmamba]

i thought the spot was were all the local yotes came,not just what a guy thought was the best spot on the farm.so you have a bait ther?was their just tracks so you set it? thanks

[braveheart]

I was going to ask you if it worked for ya.It looks like it will live up to it's name.I want to try it in the dead of winter.Looks like fun nothing better than catching coyotes!!!!
Marty

[trappnman]

THE spot, is overlapping territories. A spot, is the best place, considering their innate characteristics to set on a particular farm. I set both.

All locations have an attraction- sometimes a dead pile, sometimes bait, sometimes just a good reason to be there.

no traps are set because tracks were seen on a trial.

[blackmamba]

so how many overlapping teritory spots do you have? do you find them when your setting your traps and can you tell me what to look for maybe you could make some videos since your out trapping now? thanks again for the help

[trappnman]

you said you read the archives- lots of past threads not in archives concerning innate behaviors and the spot

read them, decide for yourself-

nope- no videos on methods or locations- once bitten twice shy

[blackmamba]

not sure what hapened but OK. i looked in other posts but have a few questions.you said you trap 5-6weeks and do 80-100 yotes so average 2-3 a day over that time.i can catch 1-2 a day now so any tips would help.this will be my 3rd season and more time to trap this year hope to do beter.how many miles between farms or do you set all of them you can get? i strugle with this.i bought your dvd and cant find any thing on that.i liked that you set close to the road it saves time.your spots look like good fox spots before the yotes came in.entertaning dvd bythe way.thanks again for the help

[primitiveman]

"i can catch 1-2 a day now"

If you're already catching 1-2 a day, sounds like all you need to do is get on more coyotes and get more steel in the ground



"i bought your dvd and cant find any thing on that"

Sounds like you should ask for a refund... All joking aside, you're not going to find THE answer in any one book or dvd...

Season opens tomorrow for me...planning to start setting as soon as light permits. I have a lot of new ground that I'm excited to cover, but equally excited to load up past productive locations.

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Oct 17, 2014 20:44:17 GMT -6 primitiveman said:

"i can catch 1-2 a day now"

If you're already catching 1-2 a day, sounds like all you need to do is get on more coyotes and get more steel in the ground



"i bought your dvd and cant find any thing on that"

Sounds like you should ask for a refund... All joking aside, you're not going to find THE answer in any one book or dvd...

Season opens tomorrow for me...planning to start setting as soon as light permits. I have a lot of new ground that I'm excited to cover, but equally excited to load up past productive locations.

That pretty much says it right there!

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman I think what Black M might be looking for is what are the key features that make your triple location the spot or the best spot in that area to set. That drainage way that separates the corn fields what is going on there for the triple action to take place?

If you have some time maybe a few videos could help younger newbies ?

[trappnman]

heres what it boils down to for me-


the thinking behind THE spot is simple- set a location where there are territory overlaps, and on that location, set up in the optimal spot, and that spot is found by deduction, and then by sign after that deduction.

I find that easy , or at least relatively easy, to do in areas with few attractions. For example, if there is only 1 attraction in a greater area, then it's a no brainer to determine that IS the right location, and then the exact spot is determined by thinking of what behaviors a coyote would have , and where then, he would be- and these are my words not 1080s - Safe. Or comfortable- or a place where his defenses are at a low point

the mental attitude of the coyote, that ALLOWS him both the time, and inclination, to work a set

to really simplify it- if there is one coffee shop- pretty easy to determine if you like coffee, you will show up there sooner or later.

but if you are in an area with multiple, similar attractions ( a starbucks on every corner) then its not so easy to determine which pot is going to be THE spot....

but- and this is a big but- I can, for each of those starbucks, determine WHERE in that location, the coyotes innate behaviors would allow what I stated above.

so- and again, my words- I look for the place to set traps, where I feel- based on lots of things, I coyote, WOULD have both the time & inclination to work the sets.

by doing so- I've been taking slightly more coyotes every year, running 30-50% less traps.

that's what is the key part for me- set where the innate behaviors allow success

[trappnman]

TC- finally figured out I'm not the only one from my area on this forum- and as far as specific videos, etc- just not going to happen.

I will say this about the triple location- the weed line, extends down into a tree line, that leads down to the lagoon, calf pens etc and any manure piled. in the corner with the 2, is the dead pile. I probably should have set all 4 traps there, but it just seems ot work better, for me, to hedge my bets by also setting up away from the desired location

I used to almost always set on travel routes- thus taking 2xs as many traps- have learned that the travelways, are not the most productive for 2 reasons-unless a really specific travelway, coyotes come into an attraction from multiple directions- so to cover it all, you need more traps, which would be fine- but again, the innate behaviors of a coyote dictate a large % of such sets are ignored- and MY key, is to increase the % of coyotes that WILL work a set.

and I feel, slowly but steadily, increasing that %.

and part and parcel of that, is the kind of set

[trappnman]

one thing I find really hard to do, is to add a coyote a day to my average- its slowly increasing- but to jump up even that 1 a day, is hard, for me at least.

last year, 6 weeks = 42 days. not a full 6 weeks- so subtract 1 day at beginning of a line for monsoon rain, add 5 days for setting new lines and checking no traps, add 3 days we took off for deer hunting opener- leaves 33 days. so last year our average was just under 4 a check day, year before just over at 5 weeks with roughly same number of coyotes.

I could add more traps- but not and cover really any more miles- running 50-70 traps, is about all I can do on good days, and rain days. I'm trying to cut back on miles to make them productive miles- this loop- at just over 5 a day average (so far) is 120 miles, and 19 locations

I could combine loops, run harder but I enjoy coyote trapping - why do in 2 weeks, what I could do in 5? Again, on good days, its all I want to skin esp adding in incidentals which will start next week with opener of coon and fox.

my goal, and god knows I'm far more student than teacher, is not to run 100 or more traps, but to catch 10 coyotes in 50 traps.

in watching my video, make note of what I say about locations and attractions- I actually show a fair bit on how and why I choose to set where I do.

but we all know I'm not 1080- and I still poke and hope with the best of them.....trappnman

[blackmamba]

thanks guys and i am planing on runing many more traps but i am confused tman.you said on the innate thread you goal was to get to 100 traps,now its not.i only have had a handful to check before work and still catch a few each day.100 traps is what iam shooting for but having never done it if i only set half as your talking about then i need to make them all count also.so how far between farms do you go or set them all?this will help me alot i hope.you said it is easy for you to find these teritory overlap can you tell me what you look for?i no about the bait piles can you help me a little on the other stuff since you said it was easy for you and my coyotes dont drink coffee.thank you