Targeting Adults

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Yup, I see the similarities!

[bogio]

Tman-

Do you always set away from cover there or are there additional sets against the vertical edge?

[trappnman]

three sets there- the 2 with coyotes, and 1 just to edge of video along road.

I more and more set away from cover, but will set up tall grass, set asides tight

[bogio]

What does that location offer the coyote to bring about the stalling behaviour you want? Also, where are the coyotes coming out from? Never had large timber tracts for them to filter out of.

[trappnman]

not sure if your question is directed to me, or never-

in the video, what stalls them out is what laying in the field there- a calf. That's SOP for this farm, in fact 2 weeks ago went out there (hay behind it now)and there were 3 calves there, tracks and scat all over.

those 3 smaller farms in distance, are right on the edge of the Mississippi Valley- which means hardwood coulees. This timber here, is somewhat different from nevers, where its for the most part, mature hardwoods, primarily oak and the prey base in them, is small. An interesting part of the coyote study here, states "voles" are the number 1 food source for my coyotes, and voles are a grasslands creature. With vegetation/insects in the top 5. So the coulees and woods, offer shelter, but beyond an occasional dead deer, not much else.

I've occasionally seen trailing tracks in timber here, but its far more random here I think, then never's.

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Yup, it's very different. Swamp-ridge-swamp-ridge, on and on. Coyotes in this type of territory all year-round. As Steve mentioned previously about the relationship between coyotes and cattle in his area well it's no different here except instead of cattle, I have deer.

[bogio]

Question was directed to you Tman.

Land features, natural and man made, involving elevation and a pool to siphon out of, seem to be a key combination in Never's location shots. His locations seem to occur because of the features. What similarities are you noting between his locations and the one you show?

[RdFx]

How does one make a circle or drawing on these posted pics so as to ask questions?

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You can't on mine RdFx. But if you want to ask a question on my maps please ask it and I'll zoom in on the area you describe.

[RdFx]

Okay never on your very last pic posted, i would in my opinion say the good two spots in setting up would be in the upper left hand corner of pic with light colored rectangle and on bottom of pic in light colored area where all the ridges come together from swampy areas. Also the black line going across middle of pic (road??) would be a major travelway for yotes moving from one place to another fast. I have an area like you pictured here in WI that any canine in area visit and has multiple catches over the season before dispersal, during and after.

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Here's what I believe you were speaking of-
Also, all grayish-colored areas are swamps, could be tag alder or high-bush huckleberry, or cranberry bogs or a combination.  The ridges are pretty easy to identify in between the swamps as is the timbered areas in green.  



A zoom-in on the top-left corner triangle would be a good fall spot BUT it's a turn-around, parking area, and camping spot for bow and rifle deer hunters.-


Your 2nd spot with a zoom-in is really a large, tall grass, swampy area. It is very true that there are several other swamps AND ridges that connect to this swamp. This is all public land so it's off-limits to me until the middle of December because of hunters. You'll see the old logging trails (this is an old map) but it's illegal to use them other than on-foot or with a sled. Each of the connecting swamps is hunted by the coyotes and though they spread out in hunting fashion in the swamps, there will almost always be a communal trail at the necks, ridge cross-overs, and especially the "transition" area between where swamps merge together. These are the locations I use my trail sets without scent. Again, think snaring but with footholds. By the way, there is no cable hanging of any kind on public lands in my state. So, if you want to trap you adapt, if not, well folks can always tippy-tap trapping at home on the pc but I'll be in the brush and timber! LOL


During the fall and the two weeks immediately after firearm deer season I trap wooded private properties that may or may not contain a crop field that are very near or tight to the large tracts of public lands.

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[Nick C]

Interesting discussion.

Im slowly, but surely trying to piece a coyote line here. The obvious dead pile locations are easy to identify, but the sometimes 20 miles inbetween those locations is a lot of dead space. Finding locations worthy to set say every 5 to 12 miles would make me feel more efficient in covering ground. And if I recall, it was hinted or subtly mentioned in the innate behavior thread that good locations and high frequency used coyote locations were not always motivated by Food. It's identifying these type of locations that would make planning a line, lets say, easier Im anticipating

Any suggestions or ideas on some not so obvious locations such as dead piles or deer congregration areas?

Im looking for crossings on big drainages or long travel ways where the topography squeezes coyotes to certain field or habitat access points. At least, I believe thats a start? What sort of non-food oriented locations do you guys look to set?

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Since my territory is flat in comparision to even slightly rolling the first thing look for is a relatively bare, sandy knob, an elevated sand blow, and as in one of my photos a stand-alone dirt pile adjacent to a hunting area, a prominent feature. Have you ever been around a sand pit with it's random piles of sand maybe 6'-10' high? If it's in coyote territory in my area the coyotes can't seem to leave them alone and climb all over them. The piles aren't the stall-out per-say it's the area all around or immediately adjacent to them that is!!  They seem to have a real desire for height but there again, even deer are attracted to height(piles) just like coyotes.  Just have to be on them it appears!

The height doesn't have to be anything more than an obvious increase in elevation. Secondly, there has to be a reason WHY the coyotes want to be there at that particular location and stall-out. If there's no dead pile there, as there are none in my area, I figure it's a location where coyotes circulating(maybe different families) through want to sort of "touch base" or maybe to visually and/or scentually checkout distances from a secure/comfortable vantage point. If a location/feature draws your eye, I believe it' will draw the coyotes eye. I don't have any real answers just my opinion coupled with experience in my own area and what I look for.

BTW, I look for stall-outs when I'm using scented sets and though I'm aways looking for stall-out locations, they are a secondary objective during the deep snow time when I'm using nothing but trail sets and that's when I'm in deer congregation areas.  The last 3 photos depict those types of areas where I don't use scented sets.  I would iff I had access earlier in the season but I don't until there's deeper snow.

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I think I rambled too much in my previous reply so I'll try to simplify my thoughts of what I think makes a stall-out that you're searching for.

Let's say you notice/eyes drawn to a prominent feature as does a coyote. He goes to the feature and investigates and spends a little time while his interest is caught, pisses, does a kick-back or two, takes a dump and continues his travels. Another coyote notices the same prominent feature and does the same as the other coyote, it goes over to investigate the outstanding feature and smells the other coyote so it spends some time sniffing around, taking a piss and a dump and continues it's travel. This same scenario is continually played out by every coyote that notices and investigates the feature.  I believe you now literally have a stall-out. A location where every coyote in the vicinity stops in and checks it out while traveling on it's way for a period of time.
I certainly could be all wet but that's how I figure a stall-out works and the main reason WHY it is a stall-out without having a dead pile in my area and what I look for myself!  It's like, "hey, I need to check out that sand blow that is on the end of that little ridge that is an outside corner of a piece of brush in the back of that 40."

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Here's another example of a stall-out with multiple sand piles at several excavations WITHIN a large wooded area. The wooded area certainly contains plenty of deer and the pits have waterfowl in the fall flyway stop-over.
The large macro view-


The micro view-

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The white/light colored spots are sand blows in a old "horse-hay" field. The coyote visit each one but two get more turds AND are higher then the others.  The one 1/2 way down the right-hand side of the field and the one just off the left of the point.

[trappnman]

without a doubt in the world, in certain situations coyotes like height.

but just not for height's sake, so to speak- that is, if they can see what they need to see without getting on top of something, then they don't seem to climb.

for example- in flat areas, where due to the coyotes stature his view into the horizon is short- they readily jump on top of round bales, bigger gopher mounds, humps of dirt etc. But lets say they are on a ridge, or the lip of a small depression or valley where they can see for a distance, I rarely see it occurring.

I don't find them to be stall out points here, because of the sheer quantity in opportunities. If you got 1 gopher mound, you usually got a lot of them- same with round bales- seldom just 1 alone- either rows or bale yards. so (and this is also in regards to Nick) the bale stacks, and the big gopher mound areas, are the secondary areas in our type of territory- for sure food areas, but also (in the case at least of the bale yards) interest areas- I've got a couple of bale yards, where the far end is crumbled and decayed bales, lots of grass, lots of rodents, lots of food..........going for about 2 blocks to the manure pile, and pens/barns for young stock.

to say this is a magnet, would be putting it mildly.




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Im slowly, but surely trying to piece a coyote line here. The obvious dead pile locations are easy to identify, but the sometimes 20 miles inbetween those locations is a lot of dead space. Finding locations worthy to set say every 5 to 12 miles would make me feel more efficient in covering ground. And if I recall, it was hinted or subtly mentioned in the innate behavior thread that good locations and high frequency used coyote locations were not always motivated by Food. It's identifying these type of locations that would make planning a line, lets say, easier Im anticipating

Any suggestions or ideas on some not so obvious locations such as dead piles or deer congregration areas?

Im looking for crossings on big drainages or long travel ways where the topography squeezes coyotes to certain field or habitat access points. At least, I believe thats a start? What sort of non-food oriented locations do you guys look to set?


I do remember that Nick, and for all I know I said it, or agreed with it- or maybe disagreed with it now that you brought it up and I'm pondering on it.

As a general rule, I'm of the belief that wild animals, with yes some play time, loving time, social time still, for the most part and 90% or better part of their awake hours, are food related. Either going to food, hunting/scavenging/finding food, eating food- or going somewhere to sleep with a full belly.

And of course coyotes are more of a social animal, and have many behaviors other than food related- but to me it still comes down to my locations being food related in some way.

heres a set up I've trapped for 2 years. in 5 days first year took 8 here, in 6 days last year took 9.

not food related per se, but...........



let me describe the set up- the trees in the back, run for miles and miles down to Mississippi in a deep coulees, going into woods, etc. Just to the right and next to where I'm standing, to right of picture, is a small sand quarry. A dirt road runs from there, maybe an 1/5 of a mile to the farm, a big dairy with a compost pile, silage, etc.

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now here is a location, where I've taken literally countless coyotes over the past 35 years, plus a lot of fox and coon. The hill road runs up a mile or so to a farm on top- some beef, but nothing dead- any dead goes to another location on farm, different hill road, different direction. where I'm standing is a small creek, all year round for the most part pasture, some corn/beans along creek. I've set up all around this area, and can count the coyotes taken there quite easily- and always come back to 3 sets along this road. Is this food related, or ?



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now here, is what I'm looking for- this is such a concentrate, I do set 4 traps, and I also set up 2 more locations, about a mile away, and maybe a 1/4 mile away where I also catch coyotes frequently- I took 21 off it one year, and 15 or so every year

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heres a location, that I do quite well at- big dairy in distance, when you see the truck- to right of it is old manure pile- cleaned up before I came (some years its there, or half there) this year, and in back is old unused quarry- very, very occasionally a calf gets tossed there (I'm told, never saw any evidence, but I do have carcasses there) not sure what type of location it would be- if not THE spot, certainly a mini spot where coyotes come regular

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I don't think the big dirt pile or the 8'-10' sand piles are for just observing here, though I'd bet they do, from the sign(running up & running down and around) it looks like they just like dicking around on top and on the sides. Both of the features I just described will always have a spiderweb of tracks going to and from and an assortment of aged to fresh turds around them. In addition to these observations, it makes no difference what time of year the coyotes are on or around them and the same for the deer. I always figured it was the YOY in the vicinity and probably so but then again, you have YOY most every year so the cycle repeats itself. If a location repeats itself as I described then it's stall-out to me.

[bogio]

Used an elevated spot here. Had sets high and low. These videos show the first two checks, then the landowner turned cattle in on me. Next three days, all traps were sprung by them when checked so I abandoned the location for the year. It had potential I think.


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Tman- In your bottom video you ask where we would set. I would probably look at the pond crossover on the draw above the dead pile to start.

I asked above about similarities between Never's location and yours, you must have missed it. Never's jut out appears to me to be an entry/exit point down off the ridge running through the timber tract. Your location looks like a travelway between areas that has been enhanced through a consistent placing of carcasses. What similarities are you seeing?

Also, on the video showing the location where a triple had been taken the day before, what direction are the sets from the attraction site?