Dog proof traps?

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman you miss the point of law of averages. If you have a 2 way trigger your contention is then the trap is no more efficant than one with a 1 way trigger that only fires on the up stroke?

That assesment is based on what?

So trigger desgin makes NO difference in a how trap fires?

Not saying some can't trap 500-1,000 coon with the dukes or grizz traps but could they be more efficant /add to their total take with a different design? "a bigger trigger and having it fire up or down"?

A larger trigger increases the kill area inside the tube does it not? A coon has to go down the tube to pull up on the trigger correct? Why not wack him on the down stroke then?

[motrapperjohn]

This is where the differences in the trigger is at If you take a look at my original model when I was modifieing the griz. we was twisting the hook or the notch of the trigger. This was creating a tab or hook off to the side of the shank. The twist was also creating an offset even further to the side. When you latch the dog on the hook it creates side thrust on the trigger, causing it to bind both on the rivit and the slot in the body of the trap where the trigger goes thru. This is what causes them to bind up. It is also what causes them to missfire and not stay set when waxed, in his case being powdercoated.
What I did with the Dagger is I eliminated that side thrust by creating a notch within the twisted portion of the neck. That the bottom of the notch is pretty well centered with the cenerline of the shank, thus eliminating the side thrust associated with my previuos designs of other 2-Way triggers. What is on the Dagger also creates a saftey and a e-z set mode where you can latch it directly in the safe mode with out touching the trigger portion of the trap. By all means if you like spending time on chunking up bait and spearing bait on or under triggers stay with the other models, if you would rather use a wider variety of prepared or pellet type bait or lure without the theft associated with the staight type triggers, use those

[trappnman]

yes spending all that time chunking up bait, or even all that time squirting bait in the trap.

I'll do it! I'll take all that time!

as far as bells and whistles- they might or might not be an overall improvement, but isn't that in the eye of the beholder?

and they might be great- don't know, haven't used any such, if I used a trap that had them, I'd most likely approve.

but thats still bells and whistles.

bottomline is do all coon trappers, think a pull only is such a disadcantage that they would change traps, or triggers- and the answer to that, is no-

so back to a ford chevy deal

and if anyone thinks they NEED 2 way triggers - go for it. in fact, if you are getting bait stole on a constant basis, then you'd be crazy NOT to change trigger style, if you think changing bait or methods is too time consuming

but don't stand there, and tell me, that they catch more coon than 1 ways in the hands of a trapper with anything more than a bit of experience with them- because thats simply NOT true for me, and for many.

again- if you got 3 lb coon- then all bets are off.

[blackhammer]

I make a set with my Dukes or Grizz traps stake and all in a minute sometimes two. To say two triggers will give you a better percent or average of catches is a kin to placing two traps at a pocket or a dirthole. Unnesseccary at least on my big Mn coon. Nothing wrong with the two ways but my experience tells me no more coon. I have buddies who run the z trap and I see no better catch numbers than I get in the same general area . Maybe I'll timker around with a dozen or two two ways to make you guys feel better next season.

[Wright Brothers]

I too noticed that side thrust dealy right away.
It drove me nuts to the point I over hauled the triggers.
That resulted in so smooth of trigger,
that the bait stealers were revealed as rodents not so much coon.
Next season I plan to use them IN water a lot more
to try and reduce rodents and nontargs.

There were places I ran for 3 or 4 nights. Anything in the trap other than coon cost me.
If I stayed set there longer I feel would have caught the missed coon, but with more fuel/time invested. Variables to many things in trapping.

To the guys that want to know the answer to "The best trap".
To quote, I think it was Coon Duke on here years ago,
Try some of each and see what YOU like.
I took that advise 3 years ago with the DPs and know
what I like.
In a way that's not fair either as models change from lot to lot.

Snap on, Mac, Blue Point, Eswing, Dewalt, Craftsman all work for a guy that knows how to use them. And I'm sure THAT guy has his favorites.

I aint tellin my fav cause I aint argueing with those that have not tried them,, AGAIN lol.
They all catch coon. Try some of each. They're easy to resell if you are a "got to have gear all the same" guy.

Edit to say this made me grin haha.
"to make you guys feel better next season. "

[trappnman]

that the bait stealers were revealed as rodents not so much coon.


2x for me as well

for those that have too much bait stealing- try putting a dixie cup over the trap- elimiates rodents almost 100%

[Wright Brothers]

Try foil from a Wendtys burger or chicken wings. They KNOW what that is.
Heard that here first didn't ya? Careful about littering,
some leos can be fussy.

There is a guy over here, (or 10), that uses the cups and sets within eye shot of the road.
I got to ask him how the theft rate is, and if the speed makes up for theft. Heavens knows, we have theives. I want one of those trail cams.

[trappnman]

good idea-

you collect all the foil yourself....? lol

anything over the top makes a difference, plus keeps rain out.

[Wright Brothers]

I seen mentioned more than once of "the right bait" in the peg triggers.
Is this a chunk bait? Or is this classified or copyrighted in someones movie, or ??
Why the secret?

[trappnman]

I'm one that mentioned the right bait- and by that I didn't mean so much this attracts more, or that does, but rather how itsi n the dp, does make a differnce.

So I should have clarified in saying- putting the bait in the trap right.

first of all, I do like placing tubing over the trigger- I'm convinced it does make a coon grab onto something he can't see. that the spongy feel, means food, whereas metal doesn't.

so if you have the bait just tossed in, its got to be a good edible bait to keep him working. when I use bait, and I do occasionally in dps, I like to pack it under the trigger- getting it on the trigger doesn't matter to me but why have it above?

when I do use bait, its edible and I like it to be sticky- since I use bait per se so seldom, when I do its cheap canned cat food, vets canned dog food, or sardines/mackeral which I first mash into a paste.

but usually, I just use procoon and fish oil- a good squirt into the trap is all I do. we can debate that it isn't edible, but it doesn't seem to matter.

[Wright Brothers]

I should try that lure again. I did back when it was the rage on here and it did not impress my coon though it did smell good to me. Something could have been wrong though. That was years before I owned a DP.
Not questioning what you say that stand alone liquid works in DP.

I too pad the peg triggers, with insulation from copper wire. Scrap by-product. Sometimes coon remove it. No biggie.

Playing with the (new to me 3 years ago) DPs has been fun.

[bblwi]

I am a newbie to DPs. Last year I used 8 little Griz traps. I started using them mid November and caught 8 coons in 1 week at 6 locations.
This year I bought a couple dozen Duke DPs and had about 16 of those and the Griz's going for the first 10 days of November and caught 10 coons in those traps.
I don't know which is a better trap of all that are out there and I don't really worry much about that now. I need to learn more about catching more coons in the traps I have. My foothold and body grip percentages are about double or more of the DPs.
1. For me I don't want a push aspect to the trigger because here in WI we can trap coons in the southern 2/3rds of the state on dry land before we can trap in water. I can use the pull only DPs in wet runs or trails during the dry land trapping only. I don't have to pass up trails with 2 inches of water in them with the pull only DPs.

2. For me I need to work on a better bait and attraction system and a better method of covering the opening of the traps.
3. It seems if I don't get the coon the first night or two I won't get any. I know the coons are running the trail because I get them in my 160s but not the DPs.
4. Like anything is it has a learning curve but to me it is a good addition to my tools to use as I can expand my area and be more efficient on the route by using the trap where other traps can not be set.
5. Even with the low numbers of animals caught say 18 coons I have caught 4 grinners and two cats in these traps. Grinners OK but that many cats out of 18 coons was not what I anticipated as a percentage. I have not used any fish type baits either.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

Outside of rules and regs why would one want to buy traps that need extra work? If you find the plastic tubing to "enhance" a pull only why not just buy a 2 way trigger trap with a larger trigger and no messing around with tubing at all? Or buy 2 way triggers and mess with them once and be done?

Just curious.....................

[trappnman]

Tman you miss the point of law of averages. If you have a 2 way trigger your contention is then the trap is no more efficant than one with a 1 way trigger that only fires on the up stroke?

That assesment is based on what?

law of averages? yes, i missed that point- detail it out for me

[trappincoyotes39]

you have a mechanical advantage with a 2 way trigger versus just one that fires on the upstroke, all else being equal.

The point of a the upstroke only traps is they have to have a smaller trigger in order to give room for the bait/lure and allow the coon to get under it and pull up. A 2 way trigger can be larger and cover more of the bait/lure because they have to reach down in order to get it. Nailing them on the down stroke to grab your bait/lure.

A mechanical advantage........

[trappnman]

read what someone with real experience like blackhammer has to say.

your physics, like your argument, are flawed- but I m done debating this
get back to me after a few 1000 coon

[calvin]

In sand, and much mud your probably going to need a stabilizer stake. I make and use them on my Zs and Dukes (Dukes have an absolute crappy anchor). I have not had much luck at all once the coon pulls the trap free from the soil, muck, whatever....they just lay there empty (for me).

Dps are great at times but don't always work like some proclaim. Was just in MS. and went through 4 different bait combos with DPs. Not one coon. All the coon were caught blind setting them with 1.5 coils. Walked right past every DP I had out and were sitting in the blind sets.

Never tried the Daggers. Look like a real good trap and haven't heard any complaints....just have all my stabilizers set up for the tube type traps and like uniformity when I can.

I won't buy anymore dukes, however. I/ve come to like the Zs.

[trappincoyotes39]

see Tman that is just it, there not MY physics.........................

[trappnman]

how does calvins post validiate your "physics"?

[motrapperjohn]

Late season to me the coon dont have much interest in bait because of breeding,thats when the gland lure or blind sets come in. And as been said 100's times before dps are not going to replace the 11/2. especialy with the fur prices and rats bring close to what a coon is worth. They simly offer many more oppertunities to set and a fast way to skim the excess population. Several 100 traps that I modified into 2 ways was with the straight triggers without much noticed difference in bait theft, or coon caught. There was a difference when I went to a ring trigger. However when I was in ND the last few years I did notice a lot of shrews around the cattails and IN the traps, as I had one run up my the inside of my coat sleeve when I picked the trap up. AS said many many times before the size of the coon has a lot to do with what gets caught, and not!