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Post by CoonDuke on Aug 24, 2012 20:36:39 GMT -6
Do you feel canines will approach and work a post set (or any type of set with a good backing) from one side a large majority of the time?
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Post by greyscat on Aug 25, 2012 9:20:02 GMT -6
when you say a large majority of the time your,naturally, trying to understnd his habits. what he does the majority of the time. they've got to eat, so smells draw them, now thats a 100% natural habit that will never change. where they're gonna put their paws, they will be around the set that draws them. where specifically that's where your own observation will determine.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 25, 2012 9:52:45 GMT -6
Do you feel canines will approach and work a post set (or any type of set with a good backing) from one side a large majority of the time? Not a simple question, but a good one. approach and work are often two separate things, dependent on where the set is, and the backing. I've done enough trapping snow, to see a lot of coyote tracks- and they show me different things. Trying to think back on snow sets that either connected or didn't with tracks- I can remember tracks milling around (sometimes coyote, sometimes not), can remember tracks working only from the back (never a coyote), and tracks going righht up to the set and either a coyote, or just looking. So no real pattern if you take the sets as equal. So, and don't know if this is where you intended or wanted this to go, but one has to go back to the previous discussions and seldoms pics. So generally I think they work from the downwind side, but also think they often approach the set itself at side angles- thus the purpose of a big enough backing to eliminate that avenue of approach. |
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Post by CoonDuke on Aug 25, 2012 10:36:58 GMT -6
This summer I have captured over 100 videos of foxes responding to sets. I was testing lures and how foxes reacted to them. I learned an immense amount in regards to how different lure applications caused different reactions.
One of the set types I have a lot of video of is urine (or lure) applied to a hay clump to simulate a hay set or a grass clump post set.
Hoofbeats taught us that canines work a post parallel. This is where the O'Gorman trap orientation comes from in regards to dirtholes vs flat sets. My videos show me fox work a large post parallel proabaly 95 percent of the time.
This did not surprise be as I have seen this in snow hundreds of times.
One thing I have found with FOXES is that wind did not really seem to matter is regards to where the fox worked the set. Put the attractor on the "trap side" and the fox is going to go to the "trap side".
What did surprise me is where the feet were during the initial investigation of the odor. What happened after that depended on what lure was used.
Pure fox urine is a great attractor but the amount of foot traffic I saw did not satisfy me. The addition of gland lure or bobcat urine made the foxes spend a lot more time at the set.
Sooooo....
I have a hypothesis to my original question based on what I saw. I just wondered if anyone else noticed the pattern I saw. Not going to give it out right away so it doesn't influence anyones thinking.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 25, 2012 11:14:20 GMT -6
whats a large post?
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Post by CoonDuke on Aug 25, 2012 11:35:05 GMT -6
At least 4 inches high...Probably most are 7-8 inches. I like a "long" post, probably 16" long. Often times if transplanting grass clumps I'll plant 2 side by side.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 26, 2012 8:17:15 GMT -6
the width height of the backing might be why you get the action behavior you get-
I can't remember reading that in hoofbeats- did he say they work just scent post type sets (post sets) parallel, or all sets as such? and by canines did he mean coyotes as well as fox?
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Post by CoonDuke on Aug 26, 2012 8:59:28 GMT -6
If I remember correctly he said flat and post sets parallel...dirtholes more or less perpendicular. That is why he has the levers parallel on flat sets and perp. with dirtholes because he wanted the animal to step between the jaws and not over. I believe OG was talking coyotes but fox work parallel too.
I agree that the height of the attractor is what is causing what I am seeing.
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Post by CoyoteMan50 on Aug 26, 2012 14:29:44 GMT -6
well I would like to thank you CoonDuke for all of this very inportent info that you are sharing with us. that is very nice of you to do, most Trapper's would keep these Goodys all to there self's, but you are kind enogh to share all your hard work on your finding and I think that takes a real men to do that. I 'm not sure that I would do that, but I think that you have tought me something there as well, Thanks again we truely need more Trapper's Like you. and don't worry uncel Steve I didn't forget you ether, thank you Sir for your input on this also, and all the many Year you have given to help other Trapper's, GOD Bless you both.
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