Baiting DPS

[trappincoyotes39]

So beav where did all the big numbers rat trappers go when they where 3.00-3.50 each avg??

You wouldn't have the NAFA numbers from years back when rats where low would you? I'm betting you didn't see near the numbers on the auction block?

04/05 total sales 717,000+ rats in 3 sales Jan.Feb and May combined.

Compair that to well over 800,000 total between 2 sales this year and I'm betting far more sold in the country at these higher prices than in 04/05 at 2.75 each correct?

Just stating we shall see how many rats are harvested and sat on durring the next down cycle. Hindsight is always a great thing.

[thebeav2]

So beav where did all the big numbers rat trappers go when they where 3.00-3.50 each avg??

Those were the guys that kept trapping It was the little guys that hung up their traps.



So what's your point.
When rats are high more rats are trapped thus more rats are sold. Duh

Hind sight? We haven't had low rat prices for some time so why would we be sitting on rats. But If country prices start to weaken next buying season you can bet that the smart rat trapper will still be catching rats and storing them and speculating on higher prices next year. I know I will, that Is If I can still trap them.

How many of those rat numbers came out of trappers freezers? How many of these high rat numbers came from DPLs. You don't have a clue who and how many rats get stored In freezers when the prices are down.
In most cases the high numbers of spring rats never get put up In time to make the May or June sale so those rats are In most cases stored In either NAFAs cold storage Or some trappers freezer or some country buyers cold storage. so there are a ton of rats still out there that won't show up on this next NAFA sale. If that sale Is weak on rats what do you think will happen to the hold over rats? But there Is a June Private treaty sale but those late sales are pretty much a stretch. So there still could be 1000s of rats being held over till next Jan or Feb.

[trappincoyotes39]

Beav I think you need to refresh your memory on rat prices. Here you go 2008/09 sale look at the avg. www.nafa.ca/auction/archive/NAFA_2009-05-26_WF_Detailed_USD_SP.pdf

Section III rats brought a whopping .56 avg LOL. In jan sell 85% of the easterns sold for 3.04 avg with a 6.50 top. Compair that with the last sale of 10.19 avg and 37.00 Top.

Beav I looked back through 2000 that is 11-12 years ago and nothing remotely close to the last 1.5 years . If you want to sit on 1,000's of rats for 12 years or more be my guest.

[thorsmightyhammer]

TC there wont be many rats "sat" on next time the market goes soft.

I hope everybody puts their rat traps away.

I averaged 8 bucks before commison on my rats on the May of 06 NAFA sale.

07 08 and 09 they went weak.

Then in '10 rats got pretty good again.

Why does a guy have to wait for a ten buck market. Whats wrong with sitting on them until they hit five bucks.

If you dont want to sit on them dont, but there is no reason to begrudge a guy who will.

[thebeav2]

Section III rats brought a whopping .56 avg LOL. In jan sell 85% of the easterns sold for 3.04 avg with a 6.50 top. Compair that with the last sale of 10.19 avg and 37.00 Top.

Well spin It anyway you want 39.
Sec III has nothing to do with a good run of rats In fact I can count on one hand the sec III rats I've had. Sec III rats are low grade rats and they are pretty much southern type rats. They aren't damaged rats.
And again your way off, our rats aren't graded eastern there graded Northern. A big difference In quality.
Our WI rats sold for a $11.56 average. But go on and spin It anyway you want.


Sounds like you know something about coyote trapping. Maybe you should just deal with something you know.

[thorsmightyhammer]

Gary, catching fur is the easy part.

Marketing it is another story.

Dont think I'll ever get it figure it out.

Glad I only have 69 rats on the upcoming NAFA sale though.

Might be kicking myself for not selling my spring beaver in the country though(not really)

[trappnman]

I averaged 8 bucks before commison on my rats on the May of 06 NAFA sale.

07 08 and 09 they went weak.

Then in '10 rats got pretty good again.


very true-

but in the decade before that, rat prices were as consistent as the sunrise- consistently low that it.

its a gamble either way to hold or to sell-

the market used to be so much simpler 30-40 years ago. It seemed to be much more consistent, and prime was king. Early fur brought X number of $$, as it primed up the prices increased, then held until seasons close- here, those seasons closed early enough, that fur was still at the peak of prime-

now, with longer seasons adding the inconsistentcy of more fur on either end of prime, and markets that make now sense (dropping during season used to be unheard of) I don't even try to figure it out- I just trap everything.....something or other always rises, something or other always drops.

I hope the rat market continues to be hot- but indications are, it seems from FHA, that they are weakinng.

NAFA will be interesting.

Personally, based on history, I think every day rats are above $6 its a bonus, and I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[blackhammer]

The other shoe will drop sometime.But a lot of people have been saying that for a few years now.Based on the ranch mink sale at Seattle yesterday I don't think the price is going is going down a lot this coming fall.It did weakened a year and half ago around Christmas and popped right back up.The thing about it is it has been about as high I believe as anyone would ever buy a rat for and doesn't have much upside left.Unless someone will pay 15-20 dollar rat averages and that seems very unlikely.

[thorsmightyhammer]

If ranch mink are selling for a franklin rat prices will be fine.

I'm like you steve six bucks would still be a good price.

I'd sell at five but it wouldnt be until the end of the year.

Seven right now is my trigger numbef.

[trappincoyotes39]

Not begrudging at all, stating why trap 3.50 rats when something esle could be better and no need to sit on them for a period of years? Period meaning more than a season or two.

All this talk of stock piling rats until the market rises I mean 5 years of rats at 2,000 a season 10,000 rats say with zero pay out for 4-6 years and zero gurantee as to wehn it pops back?

Myself I would hit the hot item or items and let the rats go, sure they are a numbers thing, so are nutria how many stock piling them?

[thebeav2]

Last seven years at Nafa.
2006-$5.10
2007-4.08
2008-3.22
2009-2.34
2010-9.56
2011-10.60
2012-10.19
2013 Anyones guess?
Changed 2006 had wrong number previously.

OK 39 no one talked about storing years and years of rats. Or 10 of thousands of rats I think your getting a little carried away. Now If one would have saved his 2008 and 2009 rats look at the bank breaker he would have had In 2010. Just saying It's not so far fetched as you make It out to be.
Is It all guess work not hardly.

And of coarse those numbers aren't really a true average for those years. When NAFA sends out It's grade and sales results It only breaks down rats as EASTERNS and WESTERNS and SEC III Most of the rats I catch and sell grade NORTHERN A huge difference In size and quality. So those figures are a bit skewed.

How Many dealers like Wibeki and Groney and others buy at low prices and then sit on 100,000 or so rats just speculating on a price rise. Sounds like good business to me.

So 39 Is saying we should all stop trapping the low priced fur and go after the high priced fur during trapping season. So when do we make that decision? Coon could have been hot last season but who knows what's going to happen this coming season.
So 39 decides to trap coon because the rat prices are In the $3.00 range. And coon last season were bringing $18.00 averages. So 39 Is going to trap the "high priced fur" the Beav Is going to trap $3.00 rats. At the end of the season the Beav has 3000 rats and 39 has 400 coon (I'm being generous) with 39s coon catch.
My pay day Is $9,000.00 39s payday Is $7,200.00 so much for trapping the higher priced fur.
An dI bet you your fur check you will have put In more time and money catching those 400 coon then I did my 3000 rats. Oh ya I'd much rather put up 3000 rats then 400 coon.

Do what you do best 39.

[trappincoyotes39]

But who had more fun Beav

Thanks for being generous also

[thebeav2]

I don't know about fun I dislike coon just as much as I do beaver.
But I did enjoy myself trapping rats last season. We will see how this rat market shakes out after NAFAs June sale.

Keep your nose In the wind pilgrim ;D