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Post by calvin on Mar 30, 2012 6:26:51 GMT -6
Yes, you will get refusals to DPs. For sure. Doesn't happen everyday but it does happen. And when it happens it can happen on a large scale...and will frustrate you. I/ve heard those who say "the coon is always hungry".....B.S. they have to totally commit to whatever you have in the tube to fire the trap. Sometimes that just doesn't happen. This can be different from year to year, time of year depending on what food is available and what you have in the trap. If you haven't experienced non commitment with the DPs, your time is coming.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 30, 2012 6:52:46 GMT -6
TC. I'm not saying either way which dps are better, I'd imagine each brand has their fans.
DPS remind me of when conibears first came out- some thiought it would be the end of foothold traps as we know it for mink, rats ,etc and while conibears are certainly a godo tool, they didn't in fact put the foothold out of busienss.
Why? because the foothold is more versitile.
but like the conibear, dps aren't the be all to end all, they certainly like conibears have their limitatons.
Run buckets and trial sets with 220s on coon with al ittle fresh snow- or better yet, if you are a 100% advocate of their use, better not. Same with dps.
not trying to rain on your parade, but as calvin says-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 30, 2012 18:44:12 GMT -6
a bucket set is a contained deal the DP is not. I guess what I'm using down the hole works well then, as I seen very little of it. I also have a very large coon population as well.
There are differances in brands and designs the Duke takes more commitment than does the dagger just a fact due to design of trigger and method of operation. When I'm setting these dp's in Nov and early Dec food is a mainstay for coons our corn is 100% gone and has been for weeks so they are looking to put on the food bag for sure. Early in and eraly out down this way for crops, last year by Mid October we had zero corn or beans left in fields down this way. Our season runs mid November on.
Black label coon bait was a real killer attractant for sure. Also my other mixes and chum. Feed the frenzy so to speak.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 30, 2012 18:48:48 GMT -6
I wish I would have taken some pictures but did not, I had plenty of spots 3-4 DP's and 3 24 hr checks in a row all had coon sitting in them.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 30, 2012 22:02:29 GMT -6
keep in mind, the more animals available, the more they work srts
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Post by RdFx on Mar 31, 2012 6:08:04 GMT -6
Ditto Steve as with my areas distemper outbreak which started ten years ago the population is still low.....another problem is farmers especially seng farmers poisoning coons with flybait and soda. It is rampant in my area and the wardens seem oblivious though many times reported. Alot of trappers dont want to report becuase of loosing trapping grounds BUT they arent thinking of secondary poisonings of dead coon throught other animals eating carcasses.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 31, 2012 6:47:36 GMT -6
Tman I relise the more coon I got the better, and also relise those DP's work AWSOME specially the Dagger!!!!! On these coons. One more brand I will try this fall, but the dagger is a fast and efficant coon harvesting tool. Even Ogorman says so  |
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Post by trappnman on Mar 31, 2012 7:29:05 GMT -6
I guess what interests me, is how did you come to the conclusion, that dps are more efficient than footholds?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 31, 2012 10:37:31 GMT -6
Quicker to set for sure, more precise "kill area" and zero foot chewing. 100% commitment in a tube versus a spot on a pan.
More and more guys hammering large numbers of coons with these traps, in less time and less hassle than footholds and the question would be if not better why invest 100% in to these style of traps?
Pre rigged and pre set daggers with cotton balls placed make for a super fast and efficant system. Hard to have 200 foot traps pre set in a pile, even with pinch pans.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 31, 2012 16:29:59 GMT -6
they are indeed more efficient on the line as far as presetting and prebaiting- not as efficient in time as snares, but more so than footholds.
but my question was more as to the efficientcy of the trap itself, in its intended purpose to catch coon. do you think they are more efficient than footholds in that intended purpose? And if so, why?
lots of guys hammer coon in buckets- but trap with them in snow any amount of time, and you see the standbacks and avoidance issues with them-
to me dps are another tool, but not a tool thats going to replace footholds for me any time soon. While putting in dirtholes is slow going compared to dps, it is in my opinion the most efficient coon trap out there.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 1, 2012 7:09:53 GMT -6
But they are replacing footholds on many coon traplines and have been or sales on them wouldn't be what they are.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Apr 1, 2012 7:25:35 GMT -6
Calvin before getting some of the other brand trap you might want to one in your hands first.
as far as cats go I can tell no difference in ratio with either trigger system. Just to see for yourself ,for those that have cats. Get yourself a glass jar and put some goodies in the bottom and set in front of your cat and you will notice how they will hook their food and drag it out.
For those that wish to use a pull only circle trigger in Wisc. or anywhere else, there is now that option. For the Dagger it comes with the plus ( or minus ) depending on how you want to look at it, off having the lightest trigger pull on the market. Only a few ounces. the Dagger as is now can be converted to be a pull only just by twisting the trigger back straight, but will break if you try to go back. so we will be offering trigger and bolt kit this year
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Post by ChrisM on Apr 1, 2012 20:04:44 GMT -6
Trapping its all about the number of critters in the truck at the end of the day. Other factors can have a far greater impact towards this end, than the catch per visit ratio of a specific trap type
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Post by calvin on Apr 1, 2012 20:53:00 GMT -6
Motrapperjohn. I/ll take a better look at your trap at the Natl this year. I have your triggers on my Dukes and just ordered 10dz of the Z traps. Reason being is I make brackets that fit on stakes and anchor my DPs off the ground (or water). Yours wont fit my brackets but I guess I need some that just get pushed into the soil....if they hold in mud. The dukes don't stay put in anything other than firm soil so the brackets are a must if in mud. The Z traps come with a spike so I can tap them into a log or tree....or snap into my brackets if needed.
I am still learning with the DPs. I see benefits to them but some drawbacks as well (at times). Yes, maybe coon populations factor into how well they work the trap...or not. I don't know. Some baits are obviously better at times too.
Personally the biggest asset these traps provide for me is the ability to run them on a sandy river where the foot trap will get silted in. The biggest liability has been lack of commitment to the trap at times. Always pros and cons.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Apr 2, 2012 6:40:07 GMT -6
the reason I was trying to warn you is the springs are like the the northwoods traps. Dont know if it was just a bad batch or the powdercoating weakend them. Just a heads up
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Post by motrapperjohn on Apr 2, 2012 6:43:41 GMT -6
the reason I was trying to warn you is the springs are like the the northwoods traps. Dont know if it was just a bad batch or the powdercoating weakend them. Just a heads up.
refusals seems to happen more in the late season for me until I started adding a little gland lure. Before that I was catching more in the coyote sets. I have had several on video where they come by sniff and on there way.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Apr 2, 2012 16:56:43 GMT -6
Trapping its all about the number of critters in the truck at the end of the day. Other factors can have a far greater impact towards this end, than the catch per visit ratio of a specific trap type Chris, that is one of the most profound statements I'read in quite sometime. |
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Post by rionueces on Apr 2, 2012 18:06:18 GMT -6
I wish they made a larger "DP" design trap that was large enough for a coyote or bobcats foot. One with a push type trigger similar to a Dagger, and a longer tube to keep them from firing it with their snout.
I bet that design would catch a coyote if you buried the trap down to the top of the opening, and put some lure or bait in the bottom..... What do you guys think?
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Post by RiverRat on Apr 2, 2012 21:20:26 GMT -6
Hard to have 200 foot traps pre set in a pile, even with pinch pans. It has been done |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 3, 2012 6:17:40 GMT -6
I'm sure it has but not as easy as pre setting Daggers..............
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