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Post by MRussell on Mar 10, 2012 6:59:39 GMT -6
I just had a random thought. I am getting ready to catch a few beavers before our season expires. Does anyone wax their beaver snares? I never have waxed ANYTHING I set in the water. However what would the pros and cons be of waxing a snare to be set in water?
MRussell
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 10, 2012 7:29:48 GMT -6
I'm trapping beaver In city parks with snares and I see NO NEED to wax any snare. They drop just fine with out any type of coating. I fact if not waxed or dipped correctly I could see where wax might just slow a snare.
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Post by coonboy on Mar 11, 2012 18:59:01 GMT -6
So you don't treat your snares at all? You just use them shiny?
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Post by MRussell on Mar 12, 2012 4:31:17 GMT -6
Beav That thought came to me as I was pulling a dozen out of the hot water and baking soda bath. I have never seen the need to wax them either. I sure don't think that I would dip them(for the reasons you stated) just wondering if anyone had been there and done that.
Coonboy I have used them shiny before( was in a jam) and it did not seem to affect the beavers I was after. Now I must say these critters had not been messed with either.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 12, 2012 7:57:19 GMT -6
I have caught a fair amount of coyotes and have done nothing at all with my cables. i just can't see any avoidance when using untreated cable with beaver.A bath of boiling water and baking soda would be all you need.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 12, 2012 8:07:57 GMT -6
I'm not a snare man, but I know one of the best in the business, Rally Hess, and I listen to what he says. And he has posted here
and repeated in all his demos- don't boil snares. It removes the inner lubrication of the cable.
and to boil out the oil, then set them in water- can't be good.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 12, 2012 11:38:45 GMT -6
That Is true BUT In most cases the snare Is rendered useless after one catch and It becomes a moot point.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 12, 2012 12:02:31 GMT -6
that also is true!
but how many of those snares will be retrieved, and saved for further use (no beaver ones)
In my limited snaring, I set out far more snares that don't connect, than do.
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Post by seldom on Mar 12, 2012 12:34:44 GMT -6
The cable is galvanized. I think with galvanized cable the oil is there not to prevent corrosion(as it is with uncoated cable) but to lubricate the strands when under a load and they are working/moving against each other. Baking soda solution etches the galvanizing so that the surface will take a dye or other coloring such as the tannins in tne water. I'd have to guess that if you over-did the etching, you'd loose the galvanizing and the cable would than certainly rust/corrode.
I would think that waxing a snare would actually slow it down(gummy) rather than speed-up closer. If you want some protection and coloring I'd just paint them or give them a dunking in trap dye. As we've discussed previously, some rust prevention is gained IF you think you over-did the baking soda boil.
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Post by Rally Hess on Mar 12, 2012 20:45:06 GMT -6
Seldom has it exactly right. To that I would add, that when you remove the lubricants in the cable by boiling with baking soda, there is a residue that remains and activated to some extent any time the cable is moistened. Whether from rain, dew, or high humudity. Also keep in mind the cable is fairly "pourus" and will retain moisture for a long time, once the moisture has entered the cable, unless it is exposed to heat or air dried completely. Why introduce a corrosive agent to your snares?
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Post by MRussell on Mar 13, 2012 6:17:51 GMT -6
Sometimes the practices we engage in are not productive. But we do them for reason that tend to give us some level of satisfaction. Now with that said. Most of the snares that I have get used right out of the box and I cannot say that I have noticed 5cents worth of performance/acceptence or refusal difference.
I also can say that the snares that get "treated" do look a lot different after they have been out in the weather for a while.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 13, 2012 6:41:23 GMT -6
I have never found a mild bath in some baking soda to be an issue with my snares. It doesn't take long to knock the shine off of them, and vinigar is far worse than soda in IMO. Acid is stronger than alkaline. All about how long they sit in the mixture as well. I have had snares that where a few seasons old that caught and held things with little issues.
Tman if your not catching more than less with snares then you need to set them in better places to up your catch % LOL.
The reason I have never been a fan of untreated cable that shine like a beacon or you knock the shine off and have instant rusting.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 13, 2012 7:42:38 GMT -6
I use to boil my earth anchors and cable In Sana flush. All of a sudden I started losing some traps. At first I thought I was being ripped off. But One day I was pulling some traps and I went right on I my butt when the cable parted. That cable just kept corroding from the inside out. I'm sure the wet ground played a part In It. But after that season I NEVER ever boiled any of my disposables.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 13, 2012 8:38:04 GMT -6
Tman if your not catching more than less with snares then you need to set them in better places to up your catch % LOL.
or, I could set a snare with the top higher than 16" off the ground with a loop size no bigger than 10", and be able to set before mid december
but was talking beaver- when I snare beaver, I put out a lot of snares -most don't connect.
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Post by MRussell on Mar 17, 2012 7:11:59 GMT -6
Snares for beaver are an awesome tool.
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