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Post by RiverRat on Mar 3, 2012 23:23:04 GMT -6
Never messed with speed dips always logwood and walnut but am now looking for a fast way to treat large numbers of cages cheaply . How does it compare to formula one ? Thanks in advance.
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Post by mailman on Mar 4, 2012 8:33:17 GMT -6
Iv'e never used formule one but I have used dakotaline dip and I sure won't use it again!!
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Post by mailman on Mar 4, 2012 8:36:08 GMT -6
Forgot to say that I used speed dip (black) on some of my cages and had no problem with it at all, in fact I'm going to give them another coat this summer.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 4, 2012 8:44:02 GMT -6
Why pay those high prices from trap line suppliers? Do you guys think these suppliers are chemical engineers and have come up with these trap coatings In some lab. You can buy the same types of coatings at your local hardware store for a lot less. Yes there are different grades of asphalt sealers. There are several grades of driveway sealers and then they have concrete foundation sealers. Just get the thinnest type you can find. Then mix with gas or Coleman fuel or some type of thinner.
Or go to Memphis Net & Twine Co and look at their Asphalt Net coat or their Latex Net coat. I have some old catalogs that list the latex at $74.00 for 5 gallons and the asphalt at $64.00 per 5 gallons. Then you look at prices on most trapper supply trap dips and they run from $30.00 to $56.00 per gallon Looks like a rip off to me. Of coarse there would be shipping costs from some suppliers but not your local hardware store.
I would bet my bottom dollar that If your adding water to thin a trap dip then It must be a latex based product.
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Post by packerfan on Mar 4, 2012 9:30:38 GMT -6
I agree with Beav. Too pricey from a dealer. I bought a quart of F1 this year for cat/coyote traps. It takes alot of coats. Works best on VERY rusted traps. Next year I'll use walnuts.
Cages? Stack em up. Call up a painter. A commercial sprayer will knock those out in no time. Use a good oil base paint.
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Post by thebeav2 on Mar 4, 2012 11:51:49 GMT -6
Wonder how much would It cost to take them to a body shop and have them primered? Or do It yourself.
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Post by packerfan on Mar 4, 2012 14:18:33 GMT -6
You can rent a sprayer Beav. If you don't have too many, just use cans. The trick is in the stacking, so you don't waste the "over spray". Body shops use a much "finer" spray and cup guns. But, that would work too. I just like the idea of CHEAP paint/primer in a 5 gallon bucket. Dunk my sprayer in and go nuts. Unless you want that fine glass like finish. LOL.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 4, 2012 15:07:29 GMT -6
I'm inclined to agree with beav on its the same a you can buy locally-
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Post by lureshy on Mar 4, 2012 17:10:00 GMT -6
Any opinions on Formula One for coyote traps out there?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 4, 2012 17:49:58 GMT -6
speaking from my own experience- didn't like the way it rusted through, nor the performance in the field. I used it several years, and each year liked it less.
Tests I made with speed dipped raps, F-1 traps dome in sept, used in january showed me a lot of digging and avoidance of pattern with both, switched them out, same sets, and that stopped.
not to say haven't caught a fair amount of coyotes on both, but I'm a confirmed dye and wax guy and have been for quite a few years.
I should point out, lots of guys use it and are happy with it but I'm not one of them.
I do think populations, areas, even weather play a role in its success.
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Post by RiverRat on Mar 4, 2012 22:29:14 GMT -6
I knew about the netting treatments and that it was a locally available product just didn't know exactly what it was or where to start . Thanks for the ideas will be checking out the local Menards this week. Thanks guys.
Packerfan I have been spraying them for years. Wanting a faster method and easier to treat the inside bottoms where your rust starts.
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Post by Gibb on Mar 5, 2012 6:22:38 GMT -6
Any opinions on Formula One for coyote traps out there? I use it on my wolf traps, three step process first I use a degreaser, than powerwash traps (new traps) next I dip in vinegear leave overnight, than powerwash and dip. I dip 3 or 4 times. Never had any problems with formula #1 since using this method. On used traps I powerwash and dip, depending on the condition of the traps normally 2 dips. Works for me. I bed my wolf traps with buckwheat hulls for a filler and waxed sand as a cover. Jim |
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Post by buckfreak on Mar 5, 2012 6:30:49 GMT -6
Non fibered roof coating and paint thinner will give a product equal to speed dip. I dip all my hoop nets in this mixture. Ya have to play around with the mixture to get the consistency you want. Usually on nets its about half and half. Hope this helps.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Mar 5, 2012 8:40:26 GMT -6
Tried some Dakotaline this year, wont use it again.
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Post by RiverRat on Mar 6, 2012 18:07:52 GMT -6
Tried some Dakotaline this year, wont use it again. Asking around I have heard that a few times. I went ahead and bought a large rubbermaid storage container and a couple gallons of cheap wallmart latex paint then basically rolled the cages in the paint. Will let you know how they turn out. |
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Post by rionueces on Mar 25, 2012 19:40:19 GMT -6
I wouldn't recommend Dakota Line. I bought some, and it doesn't stick to the traps very well, and I believe it resulted in a few dig outs on this years line.
I have used Formula 1 for the past few years, and it works until you get a build up of several coats. Then it starts to absorb odors that cause trap digging....
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Post by neotoxo on Mar 25, 2012 22:07:37 GMT -6
Why pay those high prices from trap line suppliers? Do you guys think these suppliers are chemical engineers and have come up with these trap coatings In some lab. You can buy the same types of coatings at your local hardware store for a lot less. Yes there are different grades of asphalt sealers. There are several grades of driveway sealers and then they have concrete foundation sealers. Just get the thinnest type you can find. Then mix with gas or Coleman fuel or some type of thinner. Or go to Memphis Net & Twine Co and look at their Asphalt Net coat or their Latex Net coat. I have some old catalogs that list the latex at $74.00 for 5 gallons and the asphalt at $64.00 per 5 gallons. Then you look at prices on most trapper supply trap dips and they run from $30.00 to $56.00 per gallon Looks like a rip off to me. Of coarse there would be shipping costs from some suppliers but not your local hardware store. I would bet my bottom dollar that If your adding water to thin a trap dip then It must be a latex based product. Home Depot has a company brand of water-based, flat exterior latex paint for less than $20 a gallon...mix to the color you choose, thin it just like the DK Line stuff...if there is a difference, I can't tell it. Same goes for psuedo speed dip....unfilled roofing tar/asphalt We have a local hoop net builder here in Central Ark. that will sell you the base tar they use for $5 a gallon...bring you own container The Big dealers just buy in bulk and have it labeled for them... All it takes is a little searching... |
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