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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 20, 2012 22:45:18 GMT -6
Gary, were you having a conversation with yourself in the beginning?
I sold a lot of rats in the country already and I dont look back on it one bit.
I got more.
Beaver price went through the roof. It more than doubled over night. When they were selling LM for 30 to 35 dollars I had a schit eating grin a mile wide.
Otter prices are about where I figured.
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Post by TurTLe on Feb 20, 2012 23:02:02 GMT -6
My top coon was $62, averaged $21.67 after commission. I was pleasantly suprised seeing as how 58% of my coon graded with 4-5 clarity.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 21, 2012 6:51:51 GMT -6
to answer your question, I deleted my posts because I get so tired of the same old debate, with the same old people.
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 21, 2012 8:34:38 GMT -6
As we can all see the auction did real well this time and taking advantage of all markets Is the smart thing to do. Putting all ones eggs In one basket can cost you money. When I took my cherry picked rats to groney and was only offered $7.50 I walked. Now If he would have offered the $10.00 I was asking I would have been happy, but he didn't . Now those cherry picked rats are waiting to be sold on the May sale at NAFA. Was It a good move ? I don't know. But I do know that all my lesser rats sold at a $11.00 average so as of now I'm way ahead of the game.
BUT look at the beaver market, I can't believe It. $44.00 $38.00 $36.00 for early Nov caught fur. Sure I had some $10. 00 and $5.00 stuff but man the top end was great to see.
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Post by blackhammer on Feb 21, 2012 10:40:02 GMT -6
I too had some early beaver sell well.Only shipped a few but had three extra large at 45dollars each.And for our beaver down here that is pretty good.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Feb 21, 2012 10:43:24 GMT -6
this is the first year in the last 8 years where all my fur was sold to one buyer or auction and at one auction as well. Don't like that but with only 320 hides it did not make sense to be finding new homes for that few of hides. I did have two bids on samples of what I sold in January and both bids were considerably lower than my nets at this one auction. Especially the rats. When I talked with guys at the sale and looked at their fur and also with guys that had sold in November and December I am very glad I waited. I took a calculated risk and was rewarded this year. I hope to expand my sales options again next year and most of that with FHA if they have some earlier sales.
If I would have sold my hides for the average of my bids and the averages that others sold their fur for that I felt would be very comparable to my lots I would have sold for about $850 less after commission or about $2.50 per hide straight through them. With my lot of coons with a pretty good grade but lots of 2xl coons this year I just could not get good bids on my coons locally. I see at the sale yesterday the break between 2xl and 3xl was 7-8 bucks on average for similar grades and color!! Two years ago that was 4-6 bucks. Bryce
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Post by blackhammer on Feb 21, 2012 10:51:28 GMT -6
A friend of mine had a 6xl coon,five color,select ,got 45 for it,same coon four color 52 dollars,same coon 2-3 color brought 62.That's a 17 dollar spread from 5 color to 2-3 color.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Feb 21, 2012 11:11:05 GMT -6
I had a 6xl select 5 color at $45 I had a 3xl select 2-3 for 50 I had a 2xl 11 grade for $26
Color is huge and when I see these guys posting average sof $23-$25 with 80% 3xl coons with their guesses of 50% 2-3 color I don't know why they won't ship their fur. They would have dozens of $40-$65 coons.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Feb 21, 2012 12:14:03 GMT -6
color graded on the floor, is not color graded at auction.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Feb 21, 2012 12:41:03 GMT -6
More explanaiton on that post Steve would be helpful. My color is a lot poorer than most of what you have in your region. Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Feb 21, 2012 12:46:06 GMT -6
I see these guys posting averages of $23-$25 with 80% 3xl coons with their guesses of 50% 2-3 color
perhaps their guess is off- my coon always look better under my shed lights, than the buyers LOL
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 21, 2012 12:48:22 GMT -6
Color grading Isn't a big deal It Is what It is. Throw out all those canary colored coon and your going to be In the 2=3 ball park grade. I watched 1000s of coon being color graded It's not rocket science. Doesn't make a difference on who's floor the coon are on.
Feaking coyotes are going through the roof. My buddy just called and he sold two coyotes at $60.00 each and I saw those coyotes and they were nothing to get excited about.
I have two on this sale but they haven't got to them yet. Let you know later.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Feb 21, 2012 13:18:25 GMT -6
I went through my coons and I have more 5s than 2-3s I am running about 25% 5 color and I had no yellow buses this year. I am running about 25% 2-3 colors which means I had about 50% 4. this was the first year I saw so many straight 4 colors. I don't know if it was because I had far fewer 11 grade coons and only 2 xls and one L. Or is it they are separating more 4s from 5s or 4s from 2 and 3s? I will go back over my last several sales as my color this year in my own estimation was the best I had in about 4 years but after the grading this sale I was the lowest 2-3 I have been in years. I can spend some time at the WTA this year with Greg and NAFA to learn more about what to look for. I had the highest percentage NTH this year that I have had in about 4 years. Interesting how these things change over time. If I have that much change in my own fur from my own line that I have trapped for 30 plus years then trying to gain knowledge by reading the posts of others scattered over all kinds of different habitat is not a good way to gain accurate information.
Bryce
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Post by seldom on Feb 21, 2012 13:21:07 GMT -6
Color grading Isn't a big deal It Is what It is. Throw out all those canary colored coon and your going to be In the 2=3 ball park grade. I watched 1000s of coon being color graded It's not rocket science. Doesn't make a difference on who's floor the coon are on. Feaking coyotes are going through the roof. My buddy just called and he sold two coyotes at $60.00 each and I saw those coyotes and they were nothing to get excited about. I have two on this sale but they haven't got to them yet. Let you know later. Yup they're wild! I took a $48.45av with a top Eastern at $92.00!!!!!
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Post by blackhammer on Feb 21, 2012 13:24:01 GMT -6
Color grading Isn't a big deal It Is what It is. Throw out all those canary colored coon and your going to be In the 2=3 ball park grade. I watched 1000s of coon being color graded It's not rocket science. Doesn't make a difference on who's floor the coon are on. Feaking coyotes are going through the roof. My buddy just called and he sold two coyotes at $60.00 each and I saw those coyotes and they were nothing to get excited about. I have two on this sale but they haven't got to them yet. Let you know later. Beav nobody has all these 2-3 your talking about.With a little cherry picking I can get close to 50%.Huge amount of fours in this country up here.It's not rocket science but color is a big factor.If they were just throwing out canary colored coon it would be easy but the grade is much tougher than that.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Feb 21, 2012 13:51:44 GMT -6
Color may be easy or what it is but it really influences the averages. Just a small sample 4xl selects 2-3 color $46 4xl selects 4 color 29 4xl selects 5 color 26 2xl select 2-3 color 28 2xl select 4 color 17-18 2xl select 5 color 14
This is the selects similar patterns with 1*s and 1-11s but not quite as big. In our current marketing structure for coons good fur quality is not necessarily high value fur. We know the poor fur has little value and it rarely ever did but now we have a market where big northern heavy select coons with off color are selling for what middle semis with better color are selling for. Has to be more than just a dying process cause that is a learned process. It might be that they can sell the good color natural and it is that much more valuable to the end user being natural. Bryce
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Post by netrap on Feb 21, 2012 15:15:11 GMT -6
I am very pleased with my averages.coon 23.84, rats 9.38, mink 29.oo and coyotes 83.50
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Post by td on Feb 21, 2012 15:24:50 GMT -6
Coyotes are hot!! $49.30 avg on coyotes. Guessing 20% red crotchers, ie not good. Top of $92, twice, on easterns. $96 on semis. 100% clearance on 53.
Coon avg 21.74 with 14% XL, 10% LG, 1 LM and 2 titty sows @$2. Color was a little worse than normal this year, but still got 53% 2-3 color. Mostly western north central, a few west northerns and west semis, and a couple easterns. 100% clearance on 95. Wonder what a good bunch of big coon would have fetched?
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 21, 2012 16:23:02 GMT -6
Two junk coyotes from WI $37.45 and $31.75 wish I would have spent a bit more time killing coyotes. I still hate putting them up.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 21, 2012 17:01:33 GMT -6
to answer your question, even though you knew the answer before asking, I deleted my posts because I get so tired of the same old debate, with the same old people. I was on the nafa auction floor all day yesterday watching the sale. I hadnt a clue what the exchange from gary was about. Gary, coyote market wasnt as "hot" as I thought it would be and what the buyers were telling me it might be, but it was good. I'm sure the guys from around me made a run at 50 50plus though like I predicted. Wanna know what was really hot? Red fox. Mn types probably averaged near 65 70 dollars. Fisher was really good and otter collections should have done 110 to a 120 clear like I told you they would I had a 149 beaver up there and my average was the highest I ever received and not my best collection ever. Might have to sharpen the chainsaw after the first of the month, but when I get home a hundred or two more rats are probably going to get trapped.
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