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Post by trappnman on Jan 30, 2012 16:26:40 GMT -6
Mexican coyote - Occurs in Oaxaca, San Luis Potosi, Pueblo, and Veracrus, Mexico. Its range may extend into southern Nuevo Leon and southern Tamaulipas, Mexico.
San Pedro Martir coyote - Occurs in northern Baja California and southwestern California (mostly San Diego County).
southeastern coyote - Occurs in southeastern and extreme eastern Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, and Arkansas.
Durango coyote - Occurs along the Pacific coast drainage of western Mexico between about 22 degrees and 26 degrees north latitude, extreme southern Sonora, extreme southwestern Chihuahua, western Durango, western Zacatecas, and Sinaloa.
northern coyote - In Canada, northern coyotes occur in Yukon Territory, the Northwest Territories, northern British Columbia, and northern Alberta. In the United States, northern coyotes occur in most of Alaska except the southeastern coastal section.
Tiburon Island coyote - Occurs on Tiburon Island off Baja California.
plains coyote - In Canada, plains coyotes occur in southeastern Alberta, southern Saskatchewan, and the extreme southwestern corner of Manitoba. In the United States, they occur in Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado east of the Rocky Mountains, and the northeastern corner of New Mexico; North Dakota except the northeastern quarter; northwestern Oklahoma, and the northern Panhandle region of Texas.
mountain coyote - In Canada, mountain coyotes occur in southern British Columbia and southeastern Alberta. In the United States, they occur in Oregon and Washington east of the Cascade Range, northern California, Idaho, western Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado (except the southeast corner), northern and central Nevada, and northern and central Utah.
Mearns coyote - Occurs in southwestern Colorado, extreme southern Utah and Nevada, southeastern California, northeastern Baja California, Arizona, west of the Rio Grande in New Mexico, and Sonora and Chihuahua in Mexico.
Lower Rio Grande coyote - Occurs in extreme southern Texas and northern Tamaulipas, Mexico.
California valley coyote - Occurs in California west of the Sierra Nevada, except in the northern part.
peninsula coyote - Occurs on the Baja California peninsula.
Texas plains coyote - Occurs in Texas, except for the northern panhandle region, the eastern part, and the extreme southern tip. Texas plains coyotes also occur in eastern New Mexico except for the northeastern corner, and part of northeastern Mexico.
northeastern coyote - In Canada, northeastern coyotes occur in north-central Saskatchewan, Manitoba (except the extreme southwestern corner), southern Ontario, and extreme southern Quebec. In the United States, northeastern coyotes occur along the eastern edge of North Dakota and in Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri (north of the Missouri River), Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois (except the extreme southern portion), and northern Indiana.
northwest coast coyote - Occurs west of the Cascade Range in Oregon and Washington.
Colima coyote - Occurs along the southwestern Pacific slope of Jalisco, Michoacan, and Guerrero, Mexico.
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Post by Jarhead620 on Jan 30, 2012 17:08:30 GMT -6
Total nonsense. A coyote is a coyote, is a coyote, is a coyote,............................................................................
Larry
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Post by jim on Jan 30, 2012 17:19:09 GMT -6
Didn't see anything about Zags coyotes.
Jim
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Post by trappnman on Jan 30, 2012 17:26:39 GMT -6
that puzzled me as well Jim=- in fact, no or few southern or NE states are mentioned.
larry- would you say the same here?
I didn't know this until recently. I've only hunted them 35 years. The Avery Island subspecies is our primary target.
Whitetail Sub-Species and Distribution:
Distribution and Travel:
Whitetail deer generally inhabit forest, forest edges, and brushy areas from the southern edge of the coniferous forest in Canada to the southern border of the United States and into Mexico. They are absent, in most part, from the drier regions of the west but when present they inhabit the stream bottoms. The latest figures that I can find for 1974 has our Whitetail population estimated at 25 million. Those numbers have greatly increased since then.
Whitetail deer have a home range, usually one square mile. Though bucks extend beyond that during the rutting season searching far and wide for receptive does. This however is not to be confused as a migration but a seasonal expansion of range. However by 1870, lumbermen had invaded much of the forests creating a diverse variety of underbrush and saplings. Excellent food and habitat for whitetail deer. This event caused deer to move to these areas in large numbers. It is the only documented case of migration in whitetails.
I've hunted them for almost forty years and didn't now this until recently. I found it most interesting. The Avery Island sub-species is our primary target. There is a lot of info on this out there.
Sub-Species:
Taxonomy is the classification of living things.I want go into the complex description of Taxonomy but I will discribe the Virginia Whitetail (Odocoileus Virginanus) , it's sub-species and where they range.
1. The Virginia whitetail, Odocoileus virginianus virginianus, is the prototype of all whitetail deer. Its range includes Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. This is a moderately large deer with fairly heavy antlers. It is hunted in all of the states it inhabits, and each state has a good deer population. It has a widely diversified habitat, varying from coastal marshes, swamplands, and pinelands to the "balds" atop the Great Smokey Mountains.
2. The northern woodland whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus borealis, is the largest and generally the darkest in coloration. It also has the largest range, being found in Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontario, and a portion,of Manitoba. More whitetails of this subspecies are hunted than any other. Some 541,000 deer were legally taken from the region of the borealis subspecies in 1974. This area has also produced half a dozen of the top twenty record whitetail heads listed in the Boone and Crockett Club's official records book, North American Big Game. Including the long standing record harvested by Jim Jordan in Wisconsin.
3. The Dakota whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus docotensis, is another very large deer, about equaling the northern whitetail in weight . This subspecies has produced even more of the high-ranking trophy heads than the borealis race. The range covers North Dakota, South Dakota, and parts of Nebraska, Kansas, Wyoming, Montana, @ and the Canadian provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta. Dakota bucks have heavy, fairly widespread antlers. The winter coat is a little paler than that of borealis. This is a deer of the breaks. Its home is in the timbered coulees, gullies, draws, and river and stream bottoms that cut through the prairies.
4. The Northwest whitetail, Odocoileus virginianus ochrourus, is also a large deer. It inhabits parts of Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Utah, and the Canadian provinces of British Columbia and Alberta. The biggest whitetail I ever saw was in Glacier National Park. It could have been either this subspecies or a Dakota. The two races intergrade in that area. This subspecies has very widespread antlers and a winter coat of relatively pale cinnamon-brown.
5. The range of the Columbian whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus leucurus, has been so greatly reduced that most of these deer are now found only on th 'e Federal Columbian White-tailed Deer Refuge, on the Columbian River near Cathiamet, Washington. The subspecies formerly ranged along the Pacific coast in Washington and Oregon, spreading eastward to intergrade with the Northwest whitetail. The Columbian whitetail is not hunted as it is now on the endangered-animal list.
6. The Coues, or Arizona whitetail, Odocoileus virginianus couesi, is a small variety. At one time it was thought to be a distinct species but more recent research has relegated it to the status of subspecies. It has larger ears and tail in relation to its body size than most whitetails, This deer is found in the dry, desert regions of southeastern California, southern Arizona, southwestern New Mexico, and on down into Old Mexico. The Coues is apparently isolated from areas where it could intergrade with the Texas whitetail but in the southern part of its range it probably intergrades with several Mexican subspecies. Even in Arizona the Coues whitetails are more or less isolated in the mountainous areas that rise above the desert, such as the Chiricahua and Huachuca Mountains. Arizona estimates it has about 25,000 Coues deer but does not give any harvest figures. New Mexico has a hunting season for this deer but gives neither a population estimate nor the hunter's take. The Coues deer has its own classification in the Boone and Crockett Club, dating back to when it was considered a distinct species. From the hunter's point of view, the separate classification remains legitimate since the little Coues deer has a light "rack," or antlers. A trophy that is outstanding by Coues standards could hardly compete with a trophy northern or Dakota whitetail.
7. The Texas whitetail, Odocoileus virginianus texanus, is found in western Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, southeastern Colorado, eastern New Mexico, and the northern portion of Old Mexico. Everything about Texas is big, even its population of whitetail deer. Texas has four whitetail subspecies, of which the most abundant is the Texas whitetail. Its body is much smaller than that of the more northerly deer but it is the largest of the southern forms. The antlers are slender but widespread and there are several record heads among the top twenty-five.
8. The Carmen Mountains whitetail, Odocoileus virginianus corminis, is a small deer found in the Big Bend region of Texas. Its range is limited to the Carmen Mountains on both sides of the Rio Grande. Not many of these deer are hunted because most of their range falls within the boundaries of Big Bend National Park, where hunting is prohibited. Here is a good example of isolation. A buffer strip of semi-desert, inhabited by mule deer, separates this subspecies from the Texas whitetail and prevents intergrading.
9.The range of the Avery Island whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus mcilhennyi, stretches along the Gulf Coast in Texas and Louisiana. This is the deer of the Texas Big Thicket Country. It is a large one with a dark, brownish winter coat, and it intergrades with the whitetail subspecies found to the west, north and east.
10. The Kansas whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus macrourus, is the fourth subspecies occurring in Texas. Found in eastern Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana, it is a large deer with heavy main antler beams and short tines. Several deer of this type are listed among the top 25 heads.
11. The Bull's Island whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus tourinsulae, is an isolated and very limited race of whitetail deer, found only on Bull's Island, South Carolina.
12. The Hunting Island whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus venotorius, is another of South Carolina's minor variations, found only on Hunting Island.
13. The Hilton Head Island whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus hiltonensis, is still another South Carolinian variation, limited to Hilton Head Island.
14. The Blackbeard Island whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus nigribarbis, is found only on the Georgian Islands of Blackbeard and Sapelo' All of those last four subspecies are medium-sized deer with fairly small antlers that are heavily ridged or wrinkled at the base. The islands they inhabit are far enough out in the ocean to prevent intergrading with mainland subspecies or with one another. I believe that hunting is currently allowed on all of these islands.
15. The Florida whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus seminolus, is a good-sized deer with a good rack. Some have antlers as impressive as the borealis though the spread is not as wide. The race is the deer of the Everglades.
16. The Florida coastal whitetail,Odocoileus virginianus osceola, is found in the Florida panhandle, southern Alabama, and Mississippi. It is not as large as the Florida or the Virginia whitetail but it intergrades with both.
17. The Florida Key deer, Odocoileus virginianus clovium, is the smallest of our native deer. No hunting is allowed for this subspecies, which is on the endangered-animal list. By 1949, the Key deer population had plummeted to an all-time low of thirty individuals. This reduction was brought about mainly by habitat destruction, fires, hurricanes, automobile kills, and hunting. The Key Deer National Wildlife Refuge was established in 1953. With the protection thus provided, the deer population has crept back up to about three hundred. Today the automobile is the number-one killer, as the highway linking the Florida Keys passes through the center of the range.
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Post by Jarhead620 on Jan 30, 2012 17:56:27 GMT -6
larry- would you say the same here?
With the exception of the Columbian, Coues, and Key Deer, yes I would
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Post by trappnman on Jan 30, 2012 19:10:56 GMT -6
larry, i know you are looking at this as a biologist- but those sub classes were determined by biologists a well- so i take it you are in the group that disagrees with the classifications
I'm not educated in the field, but am a fairly knowledgable layman, due to my breeding dogs follwing the genetic laws of mendel, etc, and and other tomes on breeding genetics
so my question to you is this- if you have species, and within that main species, you have sub groups that show distinct genetic uniformity- how are those not sub species.?
the definition of subspecies, unless its the word and not the subject that you object to, is simply a group that is a subdivision of a species: usually occurs because of geographical isolation
you take a bunch of mn coyotes out west, and assuming they survive and reproduce- within a very few generations, those offspring are going to resemble the dominate coyote of the area.
similar to mallards and black duck interbreeding.......
so aren't geograpical groups, that are true to a type, subspeices?
since each group, has dissimilar genetics?
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Post by Jarhead620 on Jan 30, 2012 22:31:37 GMT -6
Steve,
There are two distinct groups of individuals relative to taxonomic theory. They are commonly referred to as "lumpers" and "splitters." I am a lumper. In my opinion the splitters waste way too much time trying to develop their list of subspecies. Again in my opinion, like the examples in your posts, the majority of their taxons have no functional or morphological distinction within a species. They are purely arbitrary exercises and amount to little more than academic self aggrandizement.
Larry
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 31, 2012 7:40:38 GMT -6
you can sure tell a differance in the wild turkey sub species.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 31, 2012 8:13:42 GMT -6
Larry- are there subspecies in man?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 31, 2012 9:12:58 GMT -6
C. l. thamnos (Jackson): Northeastern coyote – range extends from north-central Saskatchewan east to southern Ontario, south to northern Indiana and west to Missouri[83]
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Post by Jarhead620 on Jan 31, 2012 9:38:20 GMT -6
tc, The recognized subspecies of the wild turkey may be legitimate. What would we do with our fixation on the Slams if taxonomists decided otherwise, LOL. Ornithologists are notorious for giving subspecies full species status and the reverse, splitting species, combining subspecies, and then resplitting them, eg, Cackling goose, Baltimore/Bullock's Oriole, Black-crested/Tufted Titmouse, Myrtle/Audubon's Warblers, etc. These changes are often based on rather arbitrary and superficial criteria. Check this, it never ends: www.focusonnature.com/TaxonomyRevision.htmSteve, The answer to your question is probably so, but for rather obvious reasons taxonomists won't touch it with a ten foot pole. They have however identified several extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens. Larry
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jan 31, 2012 11:07:16 GMT -6
Larry I understand you point on changing from sub to full and creating nightmares with the ESA and the such, I also agree the grand slam sure hasn't hurt breaking up the sub's on turkeys but with them their are noticable differances.
Like the swift or kit fox LOL.
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Post by Stef on Jan 31, 2012 11:19:02 GMT -6
How old is that thing?
Now we should read... half the province is infested with coyotes and native pure wolves in deep forest are now 50-50 in most cases
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Post by trappnman on Jan 31, 2012 15:50:27 GMT -6
I was thinking more the different races larry-
aren't those subspeces?
and if not, why not-
and if yes, then how is it any different from genetically true coyote distinctions?
serious questions btw-
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Post by Jarhead620 on Jan 31, 2012 20:22:30 GMT -6
Race and Subspecies are not technically equivalent classifications, but in many cases populations that are described as races are also given sub-specific rank.
I don't think this is appropriate in the case of our coyote, but remember I'm a lumper.
Some believe that all modern humans should be classified under the same trinomial in order to make a distinction between "us" and extinct ancestral forms of Homo sapiens sp.
Opinions are boundless on the Internet.
Larry
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Post by musher on Feb 1, 2012 5:29:33 GMT -6
you can sure tell a differance in the wild turkey sub species. Canada goose subspecies as well.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 1, 2012 7:43:38 GMT -6
Larry- what are the various dog breeds considered as?
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Post by Jarhead620 on Feb 1, 2012 16:29:33 GMT -6
They are all classified as Canis lupus familiaris. This covers everything from lap dogs to a Bull Mastiff.
Larry
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