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Post by mechanicjbk on Dec 25, 2011 19:55:01 GMT -6
Does anyone got a answer on How much Cable i should leave past my double ferrules I Am using a hammer instead of a crimper on Berkshire disposable stakes.
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Post by gcs on Dec 26, 2011 6:58:17 GMT -6
I just barely let it poke through, no failures on coon " here".
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Post by trappnman on Dec 26, 2011 7:08:56 GMT -6
ditto, just enough to see the cable-
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Post by stickbowhntr on Dec 26, 2011 7:18:19 GMT -6
on stakes I would not worry about how much thru just be sure it is....now different story on cables[snares]
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Post by GoBlueGuy on Dec 26, 2011 8:32:37 GMT -6
I am going to start making my own stakes also. I made an attempt to figure the cost difference by buying the components myself and making them (which is quite easy). I may be off slightly but after buying the cable, ferrules, and stake it would cost me approximately $.75 per 100 stakes versus $1.32 buying them from the cheapest place I could find on the internet. Obviously the higher bulk you buy in material that cost will be lower. Just have to figure what your time is worth. Being retired my time isn't worth very much. lol. I have so much time the market price fell because of lack of demand. lol. I was told to keep the end as close as possible to the ferrule mainly because of the sharp edge might cut you when you handle it. I use a 3/16 quick link to attach cable stake to trap chain.
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Post by mechanicjbk on Dec 26, 2011 20:17:47 GMT -6
thank you
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Post by seldom on Dec 26, 2011 21:34:47 GMT -6
I am going to start making my own stakes also. I made an attempt to figure the cost difference by buying the components myself and making them (which is quite easy). I may be off slightly but after buying the cable, ferrules, and stake it would cost me approximately $.75 per 100 stakes versus $1.32 buying them from the cheapest place I could find on the internet. Obviously the higher bulk you buy in material that cost will be lower. Just have to figure what your time is worth. Being retired my time isn't worth very much. lol. I have so much time the market price fell because of lack of demand. lol. I was told to keep the end as close as possible to the ferrule mainly because of the sharp edge might cut you when you handle it. I use a 3/16 quick link to attach cable stake to trap chain. As you, I'm retired as well and make my own cable stakes. I'd strongly suggest you check out the cost of making your own pogo's using annealed 1/4" nuts, 20D nail J-hooks and 11/2" fender washers. Without figuring the cost of cable I'm making mine for under $0.15/ea. My dispsable cable stakes are truly disposable so I clip-n-go! |
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Post by stickbowhntr on Dec 26, 2011 21:54:37 GMT -6
Mike did you make your own jig to bend the nails or whos do you use? I had to mod one of mine a bit so I could get the j-hook thru the wahsers.As it came they [the j-hooks] were giving me trouble being long enough the get thru the washers at first.
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Post by seldom on Dec 27, 2011 6:24:31 GMT -6
Mike did you make your own jig to bend the nails or whos do you use? I had to mod one of mine a bit so I could get the j-hook thru the wahsers.As it came they [the j-hooks] were giving me trouble being long enough the get thru the washers at first. Yup! |
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Post by RonMarsh on Dec 27, 2011 6:59:33 GMT -6
I like the B2 bender for the 20D nails. Just bring them around to almost 180 deg slightly open and they will go right into the washer hole. With the HD rivets use a J Hook Tool and open them a little and they will go right in.
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Post by Mud Turtle on Dec 27, 2011 7:09:51 GMT -6
This reply is not meant to be a wise crack. Once you have poked yourself with excess cable, you will have the answer to your question.
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Post by GoBlueGuy on Dec 27, 2011 11:03:45 GMT -6
Seldom - I am confused as to what you are talking about with nuts, and pogo's and fender washers. Could you post a picture. I have a general idea but can't quite picture the materials and the final product. Thanks in advance. If you don't want to post please PM me.
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Post by seldom on Dec 27, 2011 13:30:53 GMT -6
Seldom - I am confused as to what you are talking about with nuts, and pogo's and fender washers. Could you post a picture. I have a general idea but can't quite picture the materials and the final product. Thanks in advance. If you don't want to post please PM me. About the same square inches of soil displacement as a standard Berkshire but you need the driver for the pogo's whereas with the Berkshire you can get away with using a rerod stake or any pointed rod for a driver.   |
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Post by GoBlueGuy on Dec 29, 2011 13:31:58 GMT -6
Seldom - Thanks for the pictures. I might just try that method. If the strength is relatively the same as the berkshire stakes then it is worth it to go your route. Fifteen cents each is tough ignore. Thanks again.
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Post by beetle on Jan 1, 2012 13:50:12 GMT -6
This reply is not meant to be a wise crack. Once you have poked yourself with excess cable, you will have the answer to your question. I was wondering whether someone would point that out. I'm kind of slow about some things but it didn't take to many pokes of the finger to figure out that one! |
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Post by trappnman on Jan 2, 2012 8:15:08 GMT -6
I read it, and thought much ado about nothin'- I use 3/32 cable for my stakes, and like to let and 1/8" or so stick out of the ferrule. When cut with a cable cutter, its a clean, even cut, and lays pretty flat. I wear gloves, but even so, takes an odd hand movement to actually poke yourself with the end of the cable.
even in building, storage, bundling, etc- got to be fooling aorund with them to poke yourself-
guess I'm either careful or lucky........................
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Post by RdFx on Jan 2, 2012 10:34:11 GMT -6
Lucky , heck Steve, when you have Lori pounding all your stakes, its hard to get poked....yea-yea.. i iknow you do the skinning!!!
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Post by edogg on Jan 4, 2012 19:36:49 GMT -6
seldom
will those disposables hold a yote? its defintely worth it i can trust it....
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Post by seldom on Jan 4, 2012 20:57:08 GMT -6
seldom
will those disposables hold a yote? its defintely worth it i can trust it.... Yup, that's what I use them for in MY sand and/or clay on 17" of cable with short-chained traps. What you see in the photos is exactly what I've used since moving away from the Berkshires(cost) As I said previously, "holdability" has to do primarily with square inches of soil displacement in relation to depth. Only a handful of set locations over the years have i found I needed say, a 2" anchor in some very light, loamy, wooded ground. I simply added a second 1-1/2" cable stake to the sets and retained my "holdability" just fine. It's my opinion that there are two other facets of cable stakes that are quite important to some more than others. One is "driveability" and the other "retrieveability". Some folks have to deal with soil types that cause driving problems with particular anchors and others want to retreive their stakes regardless of the type of anchor. |
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