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Post by foxman on Oct 18, 2011 13:04:56 GMT -6
Just an odd thought. How do you feel coons react to finding a coon dead in a 220. Like lets say you have two buckets by each other and one gets caught before the other. Does the second one to get caught become cautious?? maybe timid and not as comitted? Ive never had any problems with it. But i am curious. Maybe a game cam will need to be set up!
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Post by thebeav2 on Oct 18, 2011 15:16:04 GMT -6
Nope, I have had coon climb right over there buddy and get caught In the next trap.
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Post by anonymous on Oct 18, 2011 15:32:59 GMT -6
Or while the rut they rip the first ones nuts out and then get in the other box
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Post by fishdaddy on Oct 18, 2011 19:48:31 GMT -6
my opinion is that animals dont have a concept of death their brains arent capable of reason they cant think and plan.
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Post by foxman on Oct 18, 2011 19:59:39 GMT -6
Something bob said in the coyote video... "animals cant read write or reason" i was just bored and overthinkin nuts.
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Post by RiverRat on Oct 18, 2011 22:26:19 GMT -6
I have seen beaver use another dead beaver that was in a trap to plug a hole in a dam.
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Post by fishdaddy on Oct 18, 2011 23:43:28 GMT -6
i think an animal sees another dead animal as food. ive caught both fox and bobcat on both fox and bobcat meat
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Post by trappnman on Oct 19, 2011 7:01:41 GMT -6
and yet otter, often quit using a crossover or trail, if another otter was caught there- even though that otter was taken away alive, and returned to same place the same day. but not saying that this is thinking- just avoiding a "bad place"- but it proves the opening point of the thread can exist
but you say animals cannot think- and thats wrong- they don't think like humans, and have human thoughts, but they certainly are capable of simple thinking to solve problems. after all, they do have a brain, and some higher animals have shown amzing cognitive abilities.
anyone that spends much time around domestic animals, sees evidence of that every day.
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Post by fishdaddy on Oct 19, 2011 8:44:02 GMT -6
a dog can be trained by a human but they cant train themselves
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Post by blackhammer on Oct 19, 2011 10:00:51 GMT -6
Otter definitely get spooked and I don't doubt an occasional coon gets location shy.
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Post by fishdaddy on Oct 19, 2011 10:35:38 GMT -6
i once caught 3 otters at the same set on different days i guess they werent to scared of the death area
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Oct 19, 2011 11:37:33 GMT -6
I think behavior is a learned item in most species. If a litter or young are raised by skittish mothers they probably are more anxious as adolescents and adults as well. I have caught female coons with part of all of the litter in foot holds or box traps and the behavior is quite different within each group. The ones I body grip don't respond much when they have rigor.LOL
Seriously the posts above indicate to me that animals have many differing behavioral patterns. Just look at the cattle, hogs, and pets we work with regularly and how different they are?
Bryce
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Post by blackhammer on Oct 19, 2011 11:55:47 GMT -6
i once caught 3 otters at the same set on different days i guess they werent to scared of the death area So what?I'm talking about an occasional animal or two.I've conibeared coon nine days in a row on a trail.I've also seen a coon go over the road in a skiff of snow after stopping dead at a culvert with a 220 in front of it.All animals are basically dumb ,once in a while you'll get one that acts spooky.I nailed a big female otter and her litter would leave the water on the feeder creek location she was 330rd in. |
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Post by PAskinner on Oct 19, 2011 13:09:14 GMT -6
I don't know about coon in conis, but some coon will shy away from the catch circles. How smart do they have to be to see their litter mate get grabbed and avoid that spot the next night?
Beaver get location or square shy real quick when you catch one, especially if they live in close quarters. Some who have been hit hard get shy of anything that doesn't look natural.
When trapping rats in beaver runs, on one colony. I had to switch to snares to catch the beaver later, they would go over or around any conibear I put in.
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Post by fishdaddy on Oct 19, 2011 13:41:12 GMT -6
i once traped 6 beaver and 2 otters out of a bank den they were 3 more beaver there and they wouldnt go near the bank den.
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Post by barrynl on Oct 20, 2011 11:29:54 GMT -6
I have caught double fox in bait stations and I could see in the snow where one fox walked right by his buddy and got caught about 5 feet away.
Did not seem to upset them to much.
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Post by Wright Brothers on Oct 20, 2011 12:09:22 GMT -6
I think population densities matter about this.
If two traveling a location regulerly and we catch em bang bang, all gone, seemed not shy.
Now take 15 running a nightly routine and we catch 12, the other 3 can seem pretty shy.
I have a certain culvert I trapped for years. At first it was easy going. After a few years I saw sign of pushing the BG out of the way, and signs of coon avoiding that spot.
I don't think they are smart, I think they act on instinct.
I also think that I think too much sometimes too lol.
Yeah those trail cams could make for some interesting viewing.
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Post by blackhammer on Oct 20, 2011 13:42:53 GMT -6
I have caught double fox in bait stations and I could see in the snow where one fox walked right by his buddy and got caught about 5 feet away. Did not seem to upset them to much. A live animal doesn't scare them one bit.Actually attracts them.A dead one or a coon screaming bloody murder as the conibear nails them may spook them for a small while anyhow. |
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Post by cmr2 on Oct 31, 2011 16:22:22 GMT -6
maybe learned behavoir ,as seeing it done as to coming upon an area ,or being there the next day (after check) just some thought on the differances that are seen
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