A little Modification I like to the stinger Spring

[trappincoyotes39]

Here is a little modification I have been making to my Stinger kill springs and I like it thought I would share.

By bending the ends of the spring close to a 90 angle I have found them to ride better on the cable, they "line out" better and also not as finicky as to how the spring is laying either. These are on 1/16th cable.

[17HMR]

Interesting..... Put them to use yet? Going to have to mess with that a little now.
Whos S break away is that, Hal's ?

[trappincoyotes39]

Yes Hal's I caught 2 coyotes so far with this, I really like how it runs down the cable and less binding no matter which side the spring sits on the cable.

[17HMR]

I use Hals little s break away also, havnt held a deer yet by the foot, and they are all very uniform.

What are you useing for a wammie? Im thinking all my new built ones will have tubing from now on, been getting a little greif from the wire ones after they have been used 4, 5, or 6 times, seems like they are not as tight on the support as they were when new.

How long are you making your rigs? My snare is 7 foot of cut 1/16, and 10 foot of 3/32 ext.

[TrapperRon]

I notice in the first picture that you are using a tooth filed cam lock, a great improvement. The BAD sure helps to align the lock to run free to the wire. Without a BAD special care must be taken to to bet your attachment perfect or the lock binds.

I am going to use stingers on the wolf snares that I'm making up this summer.

[trappincoyotes39]

17 I use plastic tubing as well cheap and 1 size fits both 1/16th and 5/64th until it gets really cold then getting it over my 11 ga supports can be a little tricky but still works and I don;t have to keep track of 2 sizes of tubing.

My snares are 5 1/2 ft long and my extensions are 3/32 7x7 10 ft long as well a slide end and then a solid no slide end to attach to the swivel.

[BadDog]

That's why the original Stingers had round eye loops, was because they killed far better, but those days are over.

I can only imagine what you picts look like. On the thread, the picts have been deleted or moved. I take it you are grasping the teardrop loop and bending it sideways to encourage the cable to not ride the V of the teardrop. Correct?

So how often with Hals BAD do you have neck caught release vs dead deer?

[trappincoyotes39]

sorry I was cleaning up things in photobucket never thought about ti pulling down photos on websites.

Marty these are your springs by the way.

Why no round eye anymore?

[Stef]

time to buy a swager

[trappincoyotes39]

Nope will never use one ever again. Don;t trust them I pound on all mine and have zero problems, the ones you see are from snare shop they have tiny grooved threads in them and don't tear up the cable I use them on the lock end which can't take near the force that the swivel end can/does, they are small and hold far better than any 1/16 ferral for sure.

I pound on all my stops and have zero problems, the other way and smaller cable I have had them popped off, the days of a press are over for me with snares or earth anchor cables. Have been for years.

[BadDog]

I actually misunderstood your description, coupled with the blank pict. Thanks for the fix. I thought u were taking teardrop end loop Stingers and modifying them.

With round loops or rounded out loops the cable rides well enough as they were. Is it possible that these only perform better in your mind??? lol

Todays Stingers all have teardrop loops. A sign of today's time$! They are not quite what the round loop is as the cable rides in the V of the teardrop.

Round loops mean hand forming, the machines can only do so much in forming a round loop and closing the loop without excessive space. Hand work with North American union wages... very costly. And then nobody wants the hand work. The trappers seem to have spoken loud and clear wanting cheap rather than quality, thus no more round loops. To keep costs down in a time when everything is escalating in price, it is teardrop loops.

But when all is said and done and you put triggers on all your Stingers, then you won't be bending your springs trying to make it just a a little easier for your coyote to compress the spring a little more. Or do I have to convince you of the value of the trigger next?

[trappincoyotes39]

Could be in my mind, but I doubt it . I can see they don';t hang up as much because of the bend and it doesn't take much to do it, I like them more in line versus more layed out, people can take it and try it or leave it. I like your springs better with the bend.

Yep your going to have to convince me to add triggers, as we have discussed before I have all or nothing mainly when it comes to my area, either wide open no entanglement or solid enough they wrap up tight and quick. So the added cost would have to show me a benefit if they did so then I'm more enclined to add more working parts on to something fairly simple.

Do you have a pic of what these look like?

[BadDog]

May 26, 2011 13:07:45 GMT -6 trappincoyotes39 said:

I can see they don';t hang up as much because of the bend and it doesn't take much to do it,

Depending upon what you are doing will cause/cure hang ups. I don't load for coyotes. (without trigger) Loading will cause hang ups but a slight bend at the s-hook/spring to stand the spring up will help the hang up issue as well. If a guy is giving the snare a "choke spring style" bend then hang ups are also caused by this (w no trigger). Are you running the spring beside the lock? Are you bending the cable choke spring style? Are you loading your cables?

I don't load cable, I don't bend cable chokespring style, I ran the spring beside the lock. These statements refer to a snare w no trigger.

However, nowadays I have not been setting snares w springs as such, because mine all have triggers on them. The triggered snare, I run in with a "chokespring style" bend in the cable, and now there are zero hangups, and you can load your cable beautifully and seems less visible.

May 26, 2011 13:07:45 GMT -6 trappincoyotes39 said:

I like them more in line versus more layed out, people can take it and try it or leave it. I like your springs better with the bend.

So when all is said and done, you like the bend for what exact style of snare from differring uses above. I guess you would have answered it by now in answering the above debate.

I caution folks on giving your springs the "South Dakota" bend! Your springs may or may not function as effectively with triggers.

Bender beware!

May 26, 2011 13:07:45 GMT -6 trappincoyotes39 said:

Yep your going to have to convince me to add triggers, as we have discussed before I have all or nothing mainly when it comes to my area, either wide open no entanglement or solid enough they wrap up tight and quick. So the added cost would have to show me a benefit if they did so then I'm more enclined to add more working parts on to something fairly simple.

Very valid points indeed. It does take time to "load" the springs/triggers. To the clock worshipers, this can be done at home, in fact I have snares sitting here for years in the set position whereby my high quality springs were set/loaded/compressed for years, with seemingly no detrimental effect to the spring which does seem odd, but they aren't made from chinese crap springwire either, and the setter does take the spring to it's absolute limits. Anyways, it really doesn't take much time to set in the field. When I take my snares home for the summer (so the teeth don't rust out), I do not unset them, this with my premium European springwire.

But your issue of time spent. Yes it does take a little time. It is time very well spent, another in-field trapling investment... time spent with profit-yielding results.

The benefits are high percentage zero destruction snare sites. Dead pups. Dead fox. Humane kills as in 5 minute death. Dead shoulder catches. Dead one leg thus. Waist catches dead. For those who never have such catches, try snaring in 3 foot snow. Then get wind and more snow. Fun.

Then your cats come along in the coyote loops. One leg thru dead, both legs thru dead. On the waist dead.

Watch the Paul Trepus DVD. Wolves 1/16 dead. He has like 15 wolves on the dvd, all laid out. He did lose one shortly after the dvd was finished, but it did not get far and died quickly.

There has been a few wolverine killed with triggered snares, by some of my field testers. 1/16 neck caught all dead. If you know anything about wolverine, then you can recognize this as a great achievement.

But when all's said and done, if you don't feel like setting springs, don't, and I won't waste your time trying to convince you! I know some have stated on some thread they thot the trigger was a gimmick. But what do they know? they are completely in the dark. But it has proven it's value to me and the few field testers that I chose.

The pict... I'll have one for you shortly. I'll try to get one for you today or tomorrow. (After that, it's off to the sale)