coyotes concentrating on locations

[rionueces]

Down here in virgin areas that have not been trapped for many years, you will see big concentrations of droppings in one location. Usually, the location is in the middle of a road where the travel route has been narrowed down by thick thorny brush and cactus on either side. I believe groups of coyotes gather here to test the limits and edges of their ranges and territories. I usually catch the young dogs first and the older ones later. Over time I have caught as many as 10 yotes from one location.

[trappincoyotes39]

Some of 1080's videos show you where to find these congragation spots, like the one with the Interstate in it with the T grass strip, another funneling location of coyotes. Add in the contrast of the grass strip make it even better and with bait, add milling effect etc. Long running barriors are good as shown.

[Wright Brothers]

"even dead deer, usually sit for weeks before they are worked"

They let them age, enzymes and such break down the meat, so their teeth and digestive system are less taxed, for the same return. "Gourmet style".
Wright, 2011



Poof lol

[trappincoyotes39]

wright brothers I don't think it has much to do with break down of the meat so much as human interaction and smells. Each coyote has a threshold to human odors around objects such as large baits and when that "calms" enough then they will work them hard, or could be those coyotes have better fresher pickins as that time.

I know for me when using large baits I place them and let them be for 3-5 days then go back in set them after I see coyote feeding activity or with snares just a matter of bait placement in good locations for snaring and hang snares and wait but once they decided to hit those stations they are good for along time when placed in the proper areas.

I have had frozen solid carcasses fed on, they chew them like ice that is how hard they get. You can see the knaw marks on them, they work hard to get what they can from them, but I wait until the deer season is a month past as many go about and clean up what wasn't recovered from the orange army for a few weeks after the season and it takes them time to come back into the areas as well.

[Wright Brothers]

I through that out here to maybe spark discussion. I have seen the observation
"even dead deer, usually sit for weeks before they are worked" many times too. Lots times no man scent involved, other than bullet, arrow, or automobile.. I'd watch for days thinking I better set close by, then poof gone in one night. And I knew the dogs knew it was there all along.

The remark about the enzymes, break down, etc, was told to me years ago by a seasoned meat cutter when I asked him what Gourmet beef was. So I just kind of dubbed it to these situations.

Not that they "think" that way, but maybe they know "instinct" that way.

But who knows why what reason or where they will end up next, I sure
get humbled by them at times. Pretty sure that's the reason I chase em (challenge), as they sure do not pay over here.
I constantly sell other furs that pay a lot better and are less time consuming, but always seem to tend "yote" sets along the way when presented.

[seldom]

May 12, 2011 11:53:59 GMT -6 trappincoyotes39 said:

Each coyote has a threshold to human odors around objects such as large baits and when that "calms" enough then they will work them hard, or could be those coyotes have better fresher pickins as that time.

I know for me when using large baits I place them and let them be for 3-5 days then go back in set them after I see coyote feeding activity or with snares just a matter of bait placement in good locations for snaring and hang snares and wait but once they decided to hit those stations they are good for along time when placed in the proper areas.

I have had frozen solid carcasses fed on, they chew them like ice that is how hard they get. You can see the knaw marks on them, they work hard to get what they can from them, but I wait until the deer season is a month past as many go about and clean up what wasn't recovered from the orange army for a few weeks after the season and it takes them time to come back into the areas as well.

I have to believe that to be very true TC. Too many times I've had friends shoot deer with bows and from experience, forced to get on the blood trail ASAP rather then wait if they want anything off the deer other then the antlers! Also, vehicle hit deer that are able to flounder off the road 50-100 yds in many locals around me are worked almost immediately.

That being said, you(any person) take and drag a fresh, killed deer right off the road and drag it the same distance in the same locals and it may take 3 weeks at the earliest before they work it over! Same with butchered deer trimmings such as ribs, legs, and most other skeletal remains. About 3 weeks before you can expect the coyotes to work the pile.

[trappincoyotes39]

I have found trimmings and the such to have far less value than a whole critter for sure. Once they start in on them keep them baited up and if your on a good travel corridor your going to have action over a period of time, but keep them in the feed and those spots will keep on producing in the winter into the spring if on good locations.

I'm not interested in bait stations for a few coyotes I want to be on those travel corridors come Jan and Feb with my bait stations and snares and pull them to my best places for snaring. Side draws off long main draws that moves coyotes, the crows and magpies just add to it all.

[trappnman]

my experiences are much like WBs-

I can see there are no absolutes- take gut piles- with snow on the ground, most gut piles I find a day or two after opener, have all ready been worked.

but what I see, and mentioned in the first post, was dead deer usually along creeks, wooded edges- that its obvious the coyotes are aware of, yet they don't come real close to it, although they are in area (again w/snow on the ground so reading tracks is possible-

and this deer wil be there for weeks and weeks- and all of a sudden in 3 days (my check length) the deer is consumed.

which leads me to only one conclusion- that coyotes, while maybe not caching such, do know of food sources, and wait to use them in turn as needed?

if thats true, it would have to be in excess food times- and since its something I've seen continously for many years, wouldn't that indicate, an overabundance of food, for the population involved?

[trappincoyotes39]

could be part of it alot of food, could be other factors. Fresh gut piles are picked thru for heart,lungs and liver, fresh is a good way to go many times for coyotes.

There have been accounts of coyotes in high density areas gorging themselves not so much out of hunger but greed, as they have been watched feeding and vomiting and doing this repeatably on the same carcass. Others have witnessed alot of feeding on one sheep carcass so much that their belly had to be past full and lost some of that on the travels back away from such carcass.

[trappnman]

Have you seen many fat coyotes? or fox for that matter?

isn't the norm for wild canines, to gorge for a day, then not eat for a day or so?

[trappincoyotes39]

I have seen some in the fall fat and happy but obese not many unless there carrying pups yet LOL. Yes wild canines can feed and then lay up but they can also eat on things far more often depends what is avilable to them, I have found belly's full of nothing but black beetles, grasshoppers, maggot filled from eating on some old dead nasty stuff as well.

[spring]

Here if the fox and yotes arent fat they are sick...

[trappnman]

I not talking normal fat, i was talking overweight/obese like some domestics get-

[freepop]

Watched a deer hunting video a few years back where two coyotes chased and killed a full grown doe. They filmed those coyotes gorging themsleves till they could hardly walk.

Not implying that is the norm but it probably happens more than we know.

I see the same thing with carcasses, laying there for quite a while and then suddenly gone.

[TurTLe]

T-man, the only truly fat coyotes I have ever seen were actively eating in cantaloupe fields. Those coyotes were butterball fat like a raccoon.

It had a different make up than coon fat though. As you'd hit it with the fleshing knife it was really wattery. It's wierd fleshing a half to an inch of fat off a coyote hide.

[trappnman]

interesting on the fat makeup on butterball coyotes- I've never seen that "watery" fat, the fat my coyotes have, is firm- but thats just "normal" fat, not excessive