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Post by sRc on Apr 3, 2011 12:15:26 GMT -6
What are the advantages/disadvantages of square and round jaws?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 3, 2011 12:22:11 GMT -6
well a sq jaw offers more area inside the jaws a sq larger than a circle, some seem to think a circle is faster, but depends on how much spring you have behind them jaws, weight of the jaws and design of such jaws as well.
Some jaws are more round than others, some would be called a modified round jaw others are more sqaure in shape. Alot has to do with personnel preferance. I look more at the offset of a jaw and jaw thickness for land trapping specially coyotes, and spring rate to lift those jaws up out of the ground. Pan tension, pan shape and size all have something to add to efficantcy of a trap.
Ask 5 people and you will get 5 different repsonses. Personel preferance abounds on this topic.
I want a trap that has a pan that best fits inside of any jaw pertaining to shape and size. To limit the ability of a coyote to step on the frame and the jaw at the same time. A centered pan with room to allow the foot to be inside the jaws as much as possible before the trap fires.
To sum it up not to big or not to small LOL.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 3, 2011 13:31:41 GMT -6
I have no problem with you using whatever you want-
but either the Duke #4 is the best in the world, or your statement that you
I choose to drive a race car / stock car versus the commercial model that everyone else drives / uses.
I make a majority of my living as a trapper, consequently my equipment is the best that I can make or purchase.
isn't accurate, and it comes down to you use a variety of traps as you choose, as do most of us, and that a trap is just a tool.
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Post by robertw on Apr 3, 2011 18:50:03 GMT -6
Tman,
Your interpretation is warped from what I am actually saying.....I modify, overhaul and tweak every trap that I use.
TC39,
The sterling is a nice trap in its own way but it certainly has it's limitations and shortcomings. They are a thumbusting S.O.B. when those notches get wore a litle and a real pain to re-notch. It is also hard to get them re-notched exactly right where they don't have to much pan tension, especially if your wanting to pick up those incedental grey fox that were $50 each just a few years ago. The rounded jaw faces are also a shortcoming on certain species.
The Jake trap.....with the pads on in clay type mud or buckshot gumbo are absolutely helpless!! In dry soil they are a mercedes but........you have to maintain the notches and clean the notches at each set after they are waxed. I do appreciate the riveted jaws on them in lion country but they are just to much when you figure in grey fox.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 3, 2011 19:08:35 GMT -6
robert you don't think a #4 duke is too much with 1.5 standard coilsprings on the off side for gray fox?  Yeh cleaning the notches on the jake not that big of a deal and I do as rec by JC just keep a small block of wax in my bag and rub down the jaw notch after a catch. How much wear have you seen in the jake trap notch that maintanace is a worry? |
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Post by robertw on Apr 3, 2011 19:11:49 GMT -6
Yep, sure do, just not as bad as a big Jake. Size does matter, The Jakes is just bigger and bulkier.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 3, 2011 19:15:18 GMT -6
Acutally the jake has a shade over 5.5" jaw spread and the duke has 6.5" jaw spread and I'm betting width is close to the same.
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Post by robertw on Apr 3, 2011 21:57:07 GMT -6
TC39,
Enough wear that I have had to work on the notches. As for carrying a block of wax to rub down the trap notch with....just one more hassle you don't have with a Victor, Duke or Bridger.
The Jake is bigger than the #4 and doesn't swivel as easily. Set them side by side in the fired position and look at them, pretty easy to tell the Jake is bigger. It makes a big difference when a smaller animal like a grey fox is in the trap.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 4, 2011 5:50:17 GMT -6
gotcha Robert- I thought you didn't modify the #4
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 4, 2011 6:01:39 GMT -6
all traps have some maintenance just depends on how much. I don't find the waxing of the notch to be a big deal.
I will have to take your word on grays as we have none, and it has been 20 years or more since I last trapped them.
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Post by sRc on Apr 4, 2011 11:16:18 GMT -6
Jc is outstanding/incredibly nice and a "hall of famer" IMO, but his jakes in the vids dont look like theyve seen mud!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 5, 2011 16:26:27 GMT -6
well I have gumbo up this way and I shall see how they hold up in that stuff, compaired to other traps. They have the power and the pads are much stiffer than others for sure, if they don't hold up well easy to pop off the pads and use in that fashion if need be. It is a very versitile trap for sure.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 9, 2011 13:48:34 GMT -6
robert what did you mean by don't swivel as easy? I re read what you had in your post, I think the jake,sterling both have excellent swiveling properties.
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Post by RiverRat on Apr 9, 2011 18:37:59 GMT -6
I dont care for the center hook up on the #4 dukes. It binds too much in my opinion.
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Post by claytoncarr on Apr 9, 2011 19:09:45 GMT -6
Love the duke #4. Don't like the offset. Ya gotta dig a pit to set a jake.
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Post by robertw on Apr 9, 2011 20:06:12 GMT -6
The trap is a big square chunk on the end of the animals foot, it catches on everything and simply will not roll or move with the animal as easily as a smaller trap or a more rounded profile trap. IMO.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 9, 2011 20:50:30 GMT -6
are you using a jake for coyotes or fox? On coyotes the jake does a great job and you get little in the way of binding or trash build up.
You don't have to dig a pit to set a jake if your using a bowl shaped bed to begin with, it has a very flat profile just like a sterling, minus the shock spring which I have found to be a good addition for various reasons. I bed the shock spring in the bottom of the bed. Besides with windy conditions I like my traps a little deeper to begin with. One of the pluses to a trap with decent jaw height.
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Post by robertw on Apr 9, 2011 21:21:41 GMT -6
TC,
I kill coyotes year round as needed. The Jake just doesn't swivel / move as well on the coyotes as other traps....not condemning the trap...just stating an observation.
I should have taken a picture of that 7 pound coyote pup with three of his feet in a jake trap for you. (I've caught other pups by three feet before in other traps but the one in jake just was something to see, the size comparison was something to witness.)
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 9, 2011 21:37:32 GMT -6
Robert that is why I asked are you using these on coyotes or fox? 7 lb pups are the size of a smallish fox, when most people are trapping them it is for ADC purposes and the "main" thing they just need to be held well, when "most" are caught at that size they don't make it long anyway. The jake on the highest majority or the sterling or #3 bridger for that matter, with good chain and proper swivels will hold them darn well with little worries I have found. Most good coyote size traps look awkward on those small pup's but when there working sheep they need to go.  |
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Post by robertw on Apr 9, 2011 21:47:31 GMT -6
No BMP concerns huh? And you being the one promoting and shoving the BMPs on the rest of your fellow trappers!!! TC;"look awkward on those small pup's but when there working sheep they need to go." Have you met a coyote yet that didn't "need to go"? I sure as heck haven't!! |
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