truest mouth type

[trappnman]

heres a fun question-

what type of mouth do you prefer on a hound- chop, short bawl, big bawl, etc?

does type of mouth indicate trailing traits?

which is the truest mouth type?

[yoteler]

On my hound he has a loud bawl for the cold tracking, when the track gets hot, he has a loud fast chop.

[rockcreekcurs]

It really doesn't matter to me, as long as I can hear them and tell the difference from trailing, to jumped, to treed!

Some folks say dogs with the super big bawl mouths are slow trailers and chop mouthed dogs are fast on track... I've seen enough too know better than that! Take care.

[trappnman]

it matters to me quite a bit-

you got head down, head up, you got tonguing every track, you got tonguing every other track, your got tonguing between tracks.....etc

[garman]

I ooved a long bawl dog on trail, shorter bawl as it gets hotter then a long bawl locate with it rolling into a hard chop.

[trappnman]

I've had the old Belle style bugle mouth- feet planted head thrown back- and like it on a check-

but don't care for big bawls (pretty to hear of course) on te line- I want that head down, not up in the air while moving-

I'll throw this out- I tend to THINK, that true big bawl style hounds, lose more than short bawls or chops-

oh, that head up in the air on stirke is fine, or after a long check- but I really like :

a free mouthed head down short bawl or chop- A good honest chop, one that shuts off on checks- and then comes back to work the point and confirms it by tacking down that point-

show me every track and talk to it!

[irnhdmike]

I presently got the god dambdsest sounding beagle you ever heard. Closest I can describe is sounds like some one squealing there tires. Does go to a chop when driving hard tho. Not a bad little dog honest as the day is long. I alwats liked a hound that has enough variation in there voice so you can tell what they are doing.

[trappnman]

you and me both- I absolutely love sitting on stand with a pack of beagles runing a bunny- and being able to picture the whole chase in my mind, because I knew every hound, had breed most of them, and as you say- you know what they are doing-

damn!

I love hounds!

[trappnman]

mike- you have a squaller- it either grates or pleases- but as noted- honesty makes any mouth perfect-

[mocatmancb]

i dont care if they roar like a lion or bray like a jackass, as long as they have a good changeover. i do like a big, long locate bawl.

[trappnman]

so no one but me, has run hounds solo, and noticed the relationship in losses, number and duration of checks, and mouth type? and the number of checks vis a vis his mouth type?

how about this then- cold noses vs hot noses and mouth type?

[hoosieryote]

if we are meat huntin i like a silent mouth dog that chops on the tree as my buddys mt cur cross does. He sneaks up on a lot of coon. If i am pleasure huntin with buddys i like to hear a good ball mouth hound with a good locating bark and a good chop on the tree. I hate a cold nose dog we used to hunt with a guy that had an old black and tan that smelled a coon track 2 days old. Made for some long nights.

[trappnman]

black and tans are noted for having cold noses-

[hoosieryote]

Yeah i think thats why i dont own one. Pretty dogs !

[trappnman]

its all depends on populations-

in a real low population, I always liked a coldnose dog or two- if something was there, ..........eventually he get it moving-

but if lots of critters- I'm too impatiant- lets go, lets go, lets go LL

[irnhdmike]

Cold nose is an interesting theory. It is one thing to hit old scent and bark another to have the ability to follwow the track. Have seen tru cold nosed dogs that could follow a cold track faster than many could run a hot one. Personally don't have the patience for a cold nosed rabbit hound. Did really enjoy my cooold nosed treeing walker though. Real fast. Little guy with shorter than normal ears.
High Tenor bawl to rolling bawl then chop the hotter track got. Located with two long dying bawls and treed with bawls and chops. Had quite a vocabulary and I knew what he was doing and if other dogs what they were doing. He's been gone for 20 years and I hear him running right now. Lots of coons and cats over that fellow.

[trappnman]

mike- I had a cold nosed beagle that would blow you away- he would hit a track that no other hound could pick up- and once he barked- he would be able to run it 99 out of a hundred-

Cherakawa's Will- derby champion- 5 or 6 derby wins- but was too delibrate for lics trials- had a lot of 2nds and places but no wins

most of tose ocld nosed rabbit dogs really aren't imo- its just rabbit scent is so faint and disperses so quick- that trails are lost but small pockets of scent (squat spots, etc) remain- thats what they tongue, but they go nowhere so we assume cold nose- but rabbits much over 20-30 minutes are done being old- they are long gone- less time in bad conditions-

I also see lots of "cold nosing" on melting days- and thats just, in MO, thawing scent pockets-
your flase starts zoom on such days- taose are days when oddly, a real cold nose dog has less false starts than hot nose dogs-

[rockcreekcurs]

Feb 10, 2009 19:06:00 GMT -6 irnhdmike said:

Cold nose is an interesting theory. It is one thing to hit old scent and bark another to have the ability to follwow the track. Have seen tru cold nosed dogs that could follow a cold track faster than many could run a hot one. Personally don't have the patience for a cold nosed rabbit hound. Did really enjoy my cooold nosed treeing walker though. Real fast. Little guy with shorter than normal ears.
High Tenor bawl to rolling bawl then chop the hotter track got. Located with two long dying bawls and treed with bawls and chops. Had quite a vocabulary and I knew what he was doing and if other dogs what they were doing. He's been gone for 20 years and I hear him running right now. Lots of coons and cats over that fellow.

Cold nose is really something very few understand. If you live where I live, your dogs take the tracks as you come to them. I HAVE to have a dog that will cold trail. We might never get the cat caught, but we'll trail it, til we might have a chance tomorrow! LMAO!

I quoted IRMIKE to say that I have had way more trouble, finding the type of dogs that have the desire to cold trail old tracks. I have seen plenty with all of the ability in the world, simply have no desire to trail old, cold tracks.

I have seen too many of all breeds, ran on all sorts of cat tracks and they have all had some interesting results. Some have treed game and some never would have. My favorite color of dog and favorite mouthed dog for that matter... Has to be the best one, the one that pulls it out consistently, no matter what color it is, or what it sounds like... That's my favorite! LMAO! Take care.

[trappnman]

I have seen plenty with all of the ability in the world, simply have no desire to trail old, cold tracks.


I think then, its a lack of nose-

[rockcreekcurs]

They had all the nose you could ask for, just no desire to trail old, cold tracks.