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Post by rk660 on Jan 23, 2009 13:21:20 GMT -6
Setting up a colony, and haveing a hard time finding dens because sagging ice, snow. The little dog starts yapping at a grassy bank. Not one sign of a beaver den and I wouldnt have spent a moments time looking for a den there. About ready to hollar "Shut the ---- up!" at him, figuring he is yapping at a mouse or rabbit. Then hear the KESPLASH of a beaver exiting its den. "AAAg, thanks dog".
He has found 3 more beaver holes for me the same way in last week. Guess now he is an offical "beaver dog"
He got ahold of a 50-55 lb beaver that was alive in a leghold the other day, grabbed ahold of the tail as I was pulling back for a shot. Beaver gave tail a slap and jerked free of him, smacking the water and spraying water in his face. He jumped back on bank real fast after that. Didnt want much to do with beaver wrestling after that.
Trapping is almost too boring w/o having the dog along for little things like these.
Couple of days he made the difference in coming home empty handed, or saving the day with at least a coon.
Beaver meat farts in the truck, is the price I pay for his help.
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Post by musher on Jan 23, 2009 16:18:58 GMT -6
Tell us more about the dog. Breed, size, training ...
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Post by rk660 on Jan 23, 2009 18:54:29 GMT -6
Breed is a Jagdterrier, size is 18 lbs of pure DY-NO-MITE, training was feeding him some live coons, instinct pretty much took over.
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Post by northof50 on Jan 23, 2009 22:35:04 GMT -6
Sometimes it takes a long time for the dog to trail it's owner. Trail it to bark different for mink, coon, beaver, and it will narrow down your search image.
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Post by rk660 on Jan 24, 2009 2:01:13 GMT -6
You probiblby dont understand jagds Northof50, and I mean this with no disrepect, when its time to kill something, they just bail right in. Their brain goes to kill mode and gets stuck there. Their is no sit back and acess the situation. Its just KILL KILL KILL from anything from a bull elephant on down. I very much doubt one could get thru their head and overcome their hunter/killer instinct to get a different bark on different quarry. I can teach mine about anything when I have his attention, but once the chase begins, pretty much all control ends. Thats how the Germans bred them, to be a super aggresive dog on game, all offense and no defense. They where originally bred to to put European wild boar and bear at bay, and they are a 15-20 lb dog. Once the fight begins, they are oblivious to about any outside stimuli. Its me or them, and Im sure as hell going to die trying no matter how big. guys that hunt Jagds know what im talking about.
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Post by braveheart on Jan 24, 2009 7:16:32 GMT -6
Why to go Rich.Just watch put for the cutters.My one patterdale took 10 staples to close the nip the beaver gave him.He just wanted more too.
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Post by trappnman on Jan 24, 2009 9:00:17 GMT -6
Trail it to bark different for mink, coon, beaver,
I've owned hounds all my life- hundreds of them- and while many tongue different on different animals, I'd sure like to know oyur methods to train them to tongue different- mouth is bred in- very very little you can do to change that- about the only thng you can adjust, to a degree- an overly mouthing or tight dog- but that about it
sorry for hijacking thread
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Post by 17HMR on Jan 24, 2009 9:57:46 GMT -6
Rich, I think he is a fox hound, I seen the way the girls at the lake reacted to him, just need him to retreve them.
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Post by rk660 on Jan 24, 2009 11:19:53 GMT -6
Marty, I try my damnest to keep him off beaver, Im sure they can bite the heck out of a dog and pull chunks of meat off them. I'd hate to see that happen to him. The one thing Ive seen him show a lot of respect for too, is woodchucks, he gives them a little leeway, and doesnt charge in on them like a coon. They turn on a dime and have their teeth popping all the time and he shows them some respect. Seems all them rodents dont flush like other critters, they just sit there and keep biting. Will your Patts run a beaver out of a hole or does the beaver just hold tight?
Yep Jeff, the right guy and Jager could be a fox bagging machine couldnt they. Think my days of a fox hunter are about over, Im pretty much down to cripples and peglegs. Some youngster like Nick C and this dog could really work over the foxes I bet.
Steve, beings the coyote trapping nut you are, youd have a ball with a jagd on the coyote line. Really opens ones eyes to how many scent posts they find. I pay attention to what he sniffs and pees on, and IC after a snow coyote and fox tracks going straight to where the dog marked last time. he really can sniff out scent stations. He bails right out of truck and kinda knows where snares and traps are at, usually he is barking at something caught before I see it. Ive snared 8 coyotes in cat/coon snares this year, and 7 have been alive by the leg. He really gets into messing with coyotes. He is very trap smart too, I dont know if I could catch him in any set with bait or lure, he recognizes it as danger, but will circle around looking for a critter. He is really sharp on snares too. Damn near wont even run a trail in tight stuff any more. Biggest complaint on taking on line for me is, he always has to be "first" when walking new location and looking for tracks/trails, and tracks up snow enough that its hard spot animal tracks under his at times. He has a "feel" for the kinda cover I want to set, and runs through it looking for dead or alive critters. We both head to the same spots it seems when he gets out of truck.
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Post by makete on Jan 24, 2009 14:32:10 GMT -6
I have always wonder about bring my dog trapping with me. Was always afraid that his scent would scar other animals and make it harder to get them. So what some of you are saying, is that they (dogs ) will help you find locations where it will be good to put traps? And that dogs urinating all over the place like most males like to do wont scare wary creatures like yotes? That infact the yotes will go to those spots of urine to investgate? Would really like to hear more of this. Thanks.
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Post by braveheart on Jan 24, 2009 18:52:00 GMT -6
They work them a bit then they bolt them out of the hole.It's a blast fun to run the dogs in bank rat dens on ponds too.
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Post by Rally Hess on Jan 24, 2009 20:11:28 GMT -6
Rich,
If you just tied a plastic pop bottle to the beavers tail Jaegger would probably wear them out chasing it. LOL
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Post by rk660 on Jan 25, 2009 13:48:13 GMT -6
Kinda like the balloon in a crappies dorsal fin, LOL
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Post by trappnman on Jan 25, 2009 13:50:35 GMT -6
why does my FIRST image of Jaegger....always come up from FTA MO?
LOL-
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Post by musher on Jan 25, 2009 16:52:43 GMT -6
I want one of those dogs. But I'm afraid that I'll have too much needle and thread time. Will it be attacking the huskies or vise-versa?
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Post by rk660 on Jan 26, 2009 10:37:22 GMT -6
Some get along with other dogs, and some dont. Prolly huskys and jagd wouldnt be a great mix. A large aggressive dog and a dog that thinks it is a larger aggressive dog! Odon had to find that out the hard way with Jack Russels and Airdales I think. The jacks usually ended up dead even with repeated warnings that they werent the biggest dog on the block. Musher, i think there is a guy in Rapid City SD, that breeds a larger strain of Jagd, like 24-30 lbers, that might be the ones youd want if you want a Jagd. Keep laughing Tman, next time he pulls that stunt, Im hiding the leftover T-bone in your tent.  |
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Post by redeagle on Jan 27, 2009 11:02:40 GMT -6
The Jagd breed was unfamiliar to me, so I looked them up in Google. After watching the UTube flicks on them and their performance, I am impressed with the little buggers. They look like some fearless, agressive, fast little critters with a lot of smarts and stanima.
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