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Post by trappnman on Dec 25, 2007 13:56:14 GMT -6
I'm not a rifle man beyond a .22, growing up in the SE part of MN in the hills we never used them...
but I admire those that shoot the long guns, and I shot match with .22 as a younger man, so appreciate your skills.
Here's my question- day in and day out- given average wind, conditions (I know average never happens....)...
how far can you reliably kill a coyote with a...
.17
one of the .22 center fires? (like .222)
Or your favorite gun?
I'm thinking of getting a coyote gun- most shots fairly close within 100 yards I'd say, with possibilities of 2-300 on occasion.
So on a budget- my best choices would be?
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Post by FWS on Dec 25, 2007 14:14:57 GMT -6
225 yards or so with a .17 Rem., 250 with a .222 Rem. and 300 with a 22-250. Remember you said reliably. Unless you're a handloader don't buy a .17 Rem. Get a CZ 527 Varmint in .223 Rem. and a 3-9 Leupold and use Talley rings to mount it. .223 is OK out to 300 or so. But if your shots are around 100 then it's fine. There's enough pelt friendly projectiles in factory ammo available in .223 to keep you happy.
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Post by SteveCraig on Dec 25, 2007 15:21:07 GMT -6
What John said.
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Post by fishadict on Dec 25, 2007 17:39:47 GMT -6
I have been contemplating this too. First varmint gun, .223 or .22-250? If you could load rounds down, does the .22-250 give you the most versatile gun?
fa
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Post by trappnman on Dec 25, 2007 19:41:25 GMT -6
count on the fact I won't be reloading.
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Post by garman on Dec 25, 2007 19:52:53 GMT -6
.223, cheap rounds that shoot excellent, shoot longer range and I personally like rem.700 but I am a predjudice towards remington rifles. but get a good scope
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Post by hoosieryote on Dec 26, 2007 9:25:58 GMT -6
I know how the on a budget thing so you might look at the new englander single shots in .223 or 22-250. They do great for throwing in the truck and shooting at 200 yards or less. Plus the money you save on the rifle means nicer scope. I know people squaw on the single shot but pop taught me to make the first count so single shots at the price of these work rather well for the price.
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Post by lb on Dec 26, 2007 9:35:54 GMT -6
What is your purpose in killing these coyotes? LB
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Post by redsnow on Dec 26, 2007 21:05:39 GMT -6
A while back we talked about this, if you're shootin critters beyond 100yds, you need a centerfire. i know "stuff" happens, now and then, but if you're shootin to kill, a rimfire is a poor choice on 25# animals. Probably one of my best buys was my .222, it's a good little gun, but it has it's limits. Don't expect the .17 to do a BIG job. (lb, i reckon they need killed)
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Post by lb on Dec 26, 2007 21:33:55 GMT -6
Yeah, I was probably a little too vague? Meaning; are we sport hunting, contests, or is fur the motivation?
It makes a difference. LB
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Post by Kyle on Dec 26, 2007 22:23:22 GMT -6
Steve, I think this is like what FWS posted for a .223. Its the Remington .223 that we own, Bushmaster scope. Shoots great/
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Post by Sage Dog on Dec 27, 2007 20:22:30 GMT -6
FWS
"Unless you're a handloader don't buy a .17 Rem."
Are you talking cost, or performance?
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Post by garman on Dec 27, 2007 20:42:44 GMT -6
t-man if you would like to try out a rifle I have a rem 700 in a 22-250, my furthest shot 375 on a trotting fox (some luck prob LOL) and also 20 yds on a called standing fox. Shot coyotes and fox both with it, I would still recommend the .223, rounds are cheap and accurate, and drop all you want as far as you would like.
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Post by FWS on Dec 27, 2007 20:48:51 GMT -6
Both actually, there's only two factory loadings, both by Remington. And there are much better bullets available than what they offer.
The Berger 25 gr HP Match is a great fur bullet in the .17, but you've gotta handload it. And .17's are finicky, 2/10th's of a grain of powder or a different primer can affect them.
The .17 has one purpose for me and that is shooting bobcats with zero pelt damage.
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Post by jdp4202007 on Dec 27, 2007 20:49:51 GMT -6
i have a 222 and sometimes i think it is a little small but i loaded up a bunch of ballistic tips and have got to try them yet so it might be alright and i've heard a 17 is good out to a 100 yards but have never seen it
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Post by mikeyc on Dec 30, 2007 12:43:38 GMT -6
My .17 is sighted in for 150 yards..(and i have killed animals out further) just remember the bullet on the .17 is light and it drifts far with very little windage. and i really mean it drifts.. but I in my eyes the .204 or the .223 are umong the best guns for smaller game...
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Jan 1, 2008 20:47:37 GMT -6
i also have the 204 and it sucks for fox with factory ammo.....blows reds in half....and tears up greys really bad also....if i was buying a rifle for calling and wouldnt reload it would be the 223.....
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Post by trappnman on Jan 5, 2008 11:12:18 GMT -6
My purpose would be fur, and fur only.
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Post by lb on Jan 5, 2008 17:15:30 GMT -6
Fur, and fur only. Well, if you are honest with yourself, there are no 100% solutions. Attempting to keep a high velocity subcaliber bullet inside a coyote works, in many cases, but causes horrible damage occasionally, and you will lose a few runners without snow cover or a dog. I prefer drilling a hole through both sides with a bullet that doesn't open up, but they seldom run, and never results in a surface splash. They can always be found where you last saw them, no fussing around and distracting you when multiples present another opportunity. It's a Ford/Chevy deal, but that's my preference. 22-250 and up. No guarantees on smaller animals, regardless of which you choose.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by yoteler on Jan 6, 2008 2:39:21 GMT -6
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