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Post by edge on Jun 9, 2007 9:52:55 GMT -6
**No .22 center fire in existence is an "easy 500 yd" killer.**
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Post by edge on Jun 9, 2007 9:54:35 GMT -6
I stole the above comment from Mercer to start a new thread;shoudl be a good one.
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Post by edge on Jun 9, 2007 9:55:14 GMT -6
**No .22 center fire in existence is an "easy 500 yd" killer.**
I agree with that,if you want to get real depressed,take your fav yote gun,practice out to 500 meters,then move the target o 600 meters.A whole different world.
I for one and not at all a fan of the mega guns the 3K and up superCals with bal charts and 8 boxes of hand tuned loads.....all to say "I whacked something at 1000 yds"........a neat hobby to be sure,just not my cup of tea.
But to watch the old timers ping iron with a Sharps at 6-7 and 800 meters..........man thats dancing with the one what brought ya.
Edge
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Post by lb on Jun 9, 2007 11:21:28 GMT -6
Well, 500 yards has always been my practical limit, for several reasons, not the least of which is the time wasted on recovery. I like my 25'06Ackley, for this application, but I will take a shot at a stationary animal with my 18 pound 22-250 Ackley if that's what I have in my hands, at the time. With my particular load, I have not had any failures, that I recall, but I don't think it is ever a slam dunk killer, shot placement being such a critical factor. I'd like to think that I'm better prepared than most because I usually have a gun specifically set up for those shots and dialed in for that range, which, for me is 430 yards but does a decent job out to 500, with a little bit of luck and a calm wind.
However, the difference between this specialized rig and ANY AR I have ever seen is enormous. That's a pretty good poke, for an AR, if you ask me?
Good hunting. LB
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Post by richc on Jun 9, 2007 15:13:13 GMT -6
I want to say straight out that I am no expert rifleman. I have shot enough rounds out of .223 and .22-.250 to know that killing any coyote out past 300 yards would require knowing exact range, knowing the point of impact at that range and having a good accurate rifle for the task. The nut behind the trigger would either mighty lucky, or mighty good. Factor in the wind drift. a real steady rest. Easy 500 yard Killer? Nope. Even a flatter shooter like LB's .25-06 Ackley wouldn't be an "easy" coyote killer at 500 yards without a very experienced marksman doing the shooting.
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Post by Furhvstr on Jun 9, 2007 19:28:05 GMT -6
My custom built guns are like my golf clubs, they are capable of much more than myself. Pretty sure Tiger could shoot under par with my clubs. That 25-06 ack. is a good one. Mine is built as a deer rifle. Neat looking cartridge when fire formed. My personal favorite. So many variables when shooting stuff past 300. Most coyotes past 250 while on a calling stand are pretty safe. Hard to get it all together. fun to try though.
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Post by richc on Jun 10, 2007 5:21:25 GMT -6
"So many variables when shooting stuff past 300. Most coyotes past 250 while on a calling stand are pretty safe. Hard to get it all together. fun to try though." ----------------------------------------------- Ain't that the gosh awful truth. If a coyote is at 200 yards and stands still long enough, I can get him dead almost every time. Anything much past that, things get iffy in a hurry for me. I would think that some special equipment should be seriously considered if a man wants to snipe coyotes at 500 yards or beyond. A spirit level mounted on the scope to prevent canting, and a decent range finder come to mind.
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Post by edge on Jun 10, 2007 9:57:43 GMT -6
Good posts guys,thanks.
I have seen 600 meter(open sight)competitions with custom shop 15's;but again,its with bal charts and 8 boxes of hook and slice ammo..........sure someone put the time in to devolop the loads,but is that coyote hunting? And the key word for me is"easy"(500 yd killer)..........about the only thing easy to kill at that distance is time.And 22 cal?Geez dude,I got a 243 for that stuff.
Edge
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Post by lb on Jun 10, 2007 10:38:30 GMT -6
Here, my grandkids demonstrate how it's possible to dump a coyote way out there. Rock solid benchrest, 18 pound rifle.
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Post by edge on Jun 10, 2007 18:11:48 GMT -6
SAWEEEET!!
Edge
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Post by Furhvstr on Jun 10, 2007 18:47:45 GMT -6
Looks like a long range setup to me. What scope?
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Post by lb on Jun 10, 2007 19:31:13 GMT -6
Scope is a Kahles 3X12X56. It's what we call a Nevada rig, set up special for night hunting. 22-250 Ackley on a shot filled McMillan benchrest stock.
Maybe not quite as good as a tricked out AR, but it's good enough.
Good hunting. LB
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Post by markymark on Jun 12, 2007 9:53:42 GMT -6
Here, my grandkids demonstrate how it's possible to dump a coyote way out there. Rock solid benchrest, 18 pound rifle. How is a truck a solid rest when the slightest movement bounces the truck.
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Post by lb on Jun 12, 2007 10:08:26 GMT -6
Duh! I'd explain it, but the concept is a little too basic for a computer whiz. Oh, what the heck, I'll give it a try....you refrain from those slightest movements. One word: Gas shocks.
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Post by Furhvstr on Jun 12, 2007 12:48:12 GMT -6
I had one of those platforms I had built for my toyota years ago. It was nice to have 360 degrees around you to shoot from. Was plenty solid for shooting. How can it be any different than shooting off the hood? Guys shoot PD's at two three hundred off their hoods all the time. Wind is the only thing you have to worry about off the platform. Local Warden didn't bother us about our platform back then. That's all changed know. I don't hunt Nv. anymore so no need for a platform. Ended up with a whole new system as a result. Works as good and even better many nights. Works way better for bobcats.
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Post by walkercoonhunter(Aaron L.) on Jun 26, 2007 8:29:16 GMT -6
i get jealous when reading these type posts...here in the east you guys would have a different approach to coyote hunting....long shots are 250 yrds...too much mountains and ridges and WOODS for that other yardage....thats if you can get them out in the open.....dont get me wrong here there are spots for 500-600 yrd shooting but you have to see the animal to be able to shoot...and round here they just dont come running up those draws and coolies and fence rows....they like it thick here and thats where ya have to hunt them.....i love to shoot long range at groundhogs...i have a ball with them...im just plinking with a 204...but i will say with my loads at 456 yrds when you here that THUMP..its laying there DOA....i was actually thinking about a prarie dog trip here in the near future just to have a load of fun....
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Post by Furhvstr on Jun 26, 2007 19:22:14 GMT -6
Never been PD shooting. Shot some rockchucks over the years. Have an open invitation for Montana and am trying to make it there early fall this year. Don't know if I could ever live back there in PA or the like. All them trees and green stuff everywhere. It's only green in this Mojave desert a month or so each year.
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Post by markymark on Aug 15, 2007 5:49:51 GMT -6
Here's a nice read for you non believers. www.gunblast.com/Savage-12F.htmIf you think you can't do it with a 22cal I guess most don't know what a 70gr LVD is. Yep you just can't do it. LOL
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Post by akona20 on Aug 15, 2007 6:06:26 GMT -6
Well I have been a 22/250 fan for much of my shooting life and when I was hot on target I would bet the world on what I could do with it. Now I am also a one shot kill person, if you can't kill it stone dead with one shot you don't take it.
So in there is a balance.On a dead calm day with the sun behind me on flat ground over a known distance man I will call and beat your shot any day. Ten miles an hour of quartering wind and that presents a whole new set of problems and cuts the range down dramatically. Rule one, what is the distance, rule two what is the wind. As for any .22 centre fire being a consistant killing machine at 500 yards sorry folks and I don't give a damn what any 'expert' says.
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Post by lb on Aug 15, 2007 9:14:37 GMT -6
Man, I wish I was as friggin' smart as the self appointed experts around here. LOL
akona, I agree with you. .224s and long bullets don't kill very well at 500 yards. Yep.
Good hunting. LB
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