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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 10, 2016 12:53:01 GMT -6
Steve it sounds like you use 2 different lures at most of your sets, in addition to bait and urine. When using two lures what type of combo are you using; 1 gland and 1 call lure, two different call lures, or some other combination?
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 10, 2016 7:08:05 GMT -6
boy, lots there that goes against my experience I am going to go out on a limb here and say that Carman probably grew up more a red fox trapper than a coyote trapper. Let me clarify that I am NOT suggesting that Carman is unable to catch coyotes or that he is a poor trapper. What I am suggesting is that his home area is traditionally more fox country than it is coyote country, and as such he likely has more experience trapping reds. So is it possible that he is basing his thoughts on coyote urine from many years of trapping red fox?
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 8, 2016 19:54:13 GMT -6
yes, that is exactly what I do. I started spraying remakes decades ago, and always had good success at remakes. then out of desperation many years ago, started doing it on all sets (when I experimented with dips). I later read O'G does the same on rusty traps to minimize the odor of fresh rust. When I went back to waxing, I continued using urine liberally at remakes, and off and on at new sets. Over time, and for many years now, I spray/mist all my sets, new or remakes with urine- over the pattern, where I was kneeling, and overspray the pattern into the surrounding area- I use a lot of urine! 1080 once said, and I agree, that the old timers didn't use urine as a lure, they used it liberally as a "cover" scent Interesting. I believe, I may be wrong though, that most don't use urine like this, myself included. Many of the old timers did however, as advocated in many of the older trapping books. Generally when I apply urine I use a shot on the upper lip of a dirthole.
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 8, 2016 12:06:37 GMT -6
Seldom I am looking forward to trying your dirthole variation out this season.
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 8, 2016 12:03:31 GMT -6
In regards to red fox does everyone's thinking on dirthole change from coyotes. Smaller holes, step downs? To answer your question I tend to keep my dirtholes about the same size whether trapping fox or coyotes. I know there are many schools of thought on this, but this seems to work for me.
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 8, 2016 6:25:30 GMT -6
Steve you mention spraying urine on your sets. Are you applying urine with a spray bottle and essentially misting it around the hole? Are you actually spraying urine on and around the trap pattern?
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 7, 2016 11:03:16 GMT -6
I agree Steve. It really just takes dedication to experiment and learn new ways whether one is fishing, trapping, hunting, gardening or whatever. Some of us however, seem a bit more set in our ways.
Like I said in an earlier comment this season will be a great one to experiment.
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 7, 2016 7:37:05 GMT -6
It certainly seems like the stepdown dirthole works for many people. Look at the number of canines Pete and Ron Leggett caught with it. If I am not mistaken I believe Phil Brown uses the set almost exclusively. It sounds like T-man and his wife do very well with the set, as do trappers all over the country.
Probably one of my issues with the stepdown is confidence. I will admit I don't use it as often as a standard dirthole, because I have found something that works (for me) and therefore have confidence in it. Kind of like a guy that goes fishing and finds a lure or fly that works well. He is likely going to be to use that particular fishing lure to start with, and when the going gets tough he likely reverts back to old faithful. When trying other fishing lures he may not really leave them on his line long, because his favorite lure will likely catch him fish...or so he thinks anyway. I think you can say the same with trapping sets. When a person finds a set that works for him it sometimes becomes hard to try other things.
A year like this, with low fur prices, is just the time to experiment with something new.
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Post by cameron1976 on Jun 6, 2016 7:36:36 GMT -6
I have gone to almost all dirtholes in my canine trapping. I just don't find myself making many flat sets or scent posts anymore. Most of the dirthole sets I make are pretty standard text books type sets...trowel sized dirtholes, trap bedded slightly offset to the right, small dirt clods to guide the foot, etc.
It seems like I am the only trapper in the country that doesn't have much luck with step-down dirtholes. I will admit I have caught coyotes with the set, but they don't seem to work as well for me as a standard dirthole.
One variation I do like is a set shown by Tom Miranda in his coyote book that he calls his walk-through set/method. The set uses two small rebar sized dirtholes with a centered trap out front. Its worked pretty well for me. BTW I have to say I still think Tom's coyote book is a pretty darn good read, especially considering the thing costs all of $12 or so from most trapping supply dealers.
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Post by cameron1976 on May 25, 2016 6:16:04 GMT -6
Talking about lure.I always wonder how these guys are making all this lure and going to all these conventions every few weeks keep up on making things like making lure tinsuring stuff and bottling stuff as well.As I said if weather gets hot you have to work that lure daily to avoid a burn spot or killing the bacteria.I always ask some of them their views on yeasting and I get that deer in the head lights look. It seemingly never fails, the price of fur goes up and new lure makers come out of the woodwork. It's always interesting to look back through copies of the old Trapper magazine from the 80's to see some of the guys selling lure back then. Look at the same magazine in the early 90's. Most of those fur boom lure makers were long gone.
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Post by cameron1976 on May 17, 2016 8:04:20 GMT -6
I agree Steve. Over on another forum guys are getting hammered for even mentioning coon trapping. I understand there is little to no market right now, but if someone wants to traps some coon have at it. What gets me is when a guy gets on a trapping forum and shows off his catch only to have folks call him stupid for trapping coon, telling him he was wasting time for trapping during a time of low prices, etc. Cut the guy a break! He might be a young guy just starting out, maybe he's a father running a small line with his kids, or whatever. Who cares, he is trapping and clearly supporting trapping, yet some jump on him almost as bad as they would an anti-trapper.
It is important for people to understand however, just what the market is doing. I think some of the frustration lies with those unable to accept reality. There are still guys who were aptly warned about the fur market that decided to trap a bunch of coon anyway. Again, I don't care, but those individuals then proceeded to cry to anyone that would listen about fur buyers ripping them off, NAFA being crooks, or whatever. Hey guys...you were warned. A couple of years back there was a guy online posting not to listen to the naysayers that warned of a poor coon market, even though many were long time trappers and fur buyers. According to him, prices would be fine, and he was going to go out and "whack and stack" several hundred Texas coon. I haven't seen him post in awhile so something tells me his dreams of a big profitable coon line probably didn't come true. Again accept reality.
Me I will readily admit I did a little coon trapping last year. I am a hobby guy so catching a few while I was out chasing canines, rats, mink, and beaver was ok for me. I also played around with a different dog-proof trap bait, and helped some land owners out by catching them. Sure I would like a better market for the coon, but I knew what the market was when I was trapping, and as such will accept the reality of poor prices.
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Post by cameron1976 on May 16, 2016 7:02:42 GMT -6
Just wonder now with Asa Lenon selling his lure line to PCS. We will see as ive been a dlr for Lenons for very long time. I will see after this yr as i know Asa didnt have a stock of lures to go with sale.
The last couple of years we have also seen Hawbaker's and Blackie's lure lines change hands as well. I am pretty sure we will see more change hands in the next few years.
I used to like some of Hawbaker's lures, but haven't used any since Edwin sold the business. I know some guys that used to swear by the stuff are now complaining it just isn't the same.
I fully understand there is much that goes into lure making. Simply buying a formula doesn't make one a lure maker. Technique and source of ingredients seem like huge factors in what your end product will be. To me making lure is an art form.
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Post by cameron1976 on May 13, 2016 19:11:10 GMT -6
Speaking of lures and consistency I always cringe when I hear about a good lure line being sold off. Often things just aren't the same. Given the age of many of the big name lure makers in the game, the sad reality is many of their lure lines will either be gone or in someone else's hands in the next decade or two.
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Post by cameron1976 on Apr 19, 2016 10:48:19 GMT -6
Any chance you will do the gopher video this year Steve?
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Post by cameron1976 on Apr 19, 2016 10:43:34 GMT -6
Rant away. This is pretty interesting.
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Post by cameron1976 on Mar 18, 2016 18:13:20 GMT -6
Wow!
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