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Post by bogio on Jul 24, 2012 16:30:40 GMT -6
Bogio yes set directly on that spot and don't waiver more than 5 ft. I think this is the answer your looking for? Hmmmmm, Sounds suspiciously like an answer my son would give me when he wishes I would just STFU. I'll wait to see how you answer Tman as his question is essentially what I've been beating around.
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Post by bogio on Jul 23, 2012 20:44:51 GMT -6
Let's take snares and calling out of the equation.
Traps only.
I know there are times other tools might work better.
Traps only.
I know that there may be some animals that cannot be taken with traps.
Traps only.
Fur trapping in fall/winter.
Traps only.
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Post by bogio on Jul 23, 2012 17:24:13 GMT -6
Well, the short bus just dropped me off and I got my helmet put on the shelf.
Reread through a good share of all this. I understand about travelways, funnels, filters, habitat, preybase, season of the year, social status, snaring, calling, big deer, spokes, hubs, where they are going, why they are going, when they are going. I get that all of that figures into the where you set. I get that. I repeat, I get all of that. All I want to know is,
Do you set on the spot or away from it?
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Post by bogio on Jul 22, 2012 20:29:42 GMT -6
TC,
Yes, it is in the wording. I'm finding it to be contradictory. It is the use of the spot and travelways together that is confusing me. Here is what I see in my mind's eye.
You and Tman are running a coyote line together. You find a killer location, we'll keep it simple, a long continuous fence crossing the field road you are on. You both agree that this intersection has it all, it is THE SPOT. Tman says I'm setting right on the spot and hammers in a set on each side of the road knowing that since this is the spot he is going to double everyday. You say I'm setting the travelways leading to the spot and hike up the road aways then up the fence lines aways putting in sets that you too are confident will be full everyday. Now to me, your sets are no longer on THE SPOT and as such lose the benefits that seem to be had by setting DIRECTLY ON THE SPOT.
My take is that THAT is what Tman and 1080 are emphasizing. Finding that spot and setting smack dab on it. I understand you to want to set away from and leading to it.
Am I just being thick and chewy?
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Post by bogio on Jul 22, 2012 15:51:20 GMT -6
TC,
Do you believe "THE SPOT" exists in the context that Tman and 1080 have been putting it out to us. That there are certain locations that by their nature put the coyote in the mood and more receptive to our advances, making those locations superior to all others. I ask because you stated that the spokes led to "THE SPOT", and if "THE SPOT" is all of that, why not set it rather than the travelways coming in that will lack some of that mojo.
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Post by bogio on Jul 22, 2012 8:51:40 GMT -6
Here's my example of that coyote mindset.
North/south county road Ts into an east/west road. Continuing south of this T is my access field road. It runs about 3/4m south through mixed corn/bean/hay ground with a large timbered drainage at the half way point running from the road to the east.
At 1/4m in is a T intersection running east out to the next county road (close to a mile). One set placed here took 2 coyotes passing by it.
At 1/2 mile is the spot my boy Virlin said was it, passing the head of the drainage. He would pee/poop/roll/kickback and just have a general helll of good time there. One set there took 1 possum.
60 yards pass this was where I thought it looked best. Little jag in the road where it once passed through a fence that was long gone. Put 2 sets here as I felt good about it and took 9 coyotes. Snow showed them cruising by the other spots regularly but going right into what I am assuming was "THE SPOT".
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Post by bogio on Jul 22, 2012 7:48:13 GMT -6
Your description of the Cherry Creek area better tells me what you are looking for as opposed to 2 to 3 spokes of the wheel.
So in a fall/winter fur trapping scenario, you would prefer to set on these spots long term picking up travelers rather than creaming off the coyotes short term and continuously moving to fresh donors?
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Post by bogio on Jul 21, 2012 20:24:59 GMT -6
TC,
Do you think of these travel corridor locations in terms of "THE SPOT"? You are talking setting 2 or 3 spokes where as Tman and 1080 are talking more of a singular location if I'm reading correctly. Am I reading correctly?
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Post by bogio on Jul 21, 2012 20:08:05 GMT -6
Is there access into an area like that that gives you contact with a large percentage of the coyote population?
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Post by bogio on Jul 20, 2012 10:49:37 GMT -6
I agree totally with your first statement Tman. I think I may have taken that 50 mile analogy out of context. The person posting it was repeating it from another and so it is quite possible that the originator was talking a scenario such as you are describing. It was referenced while discussing "THE SPOT" and as such I took it to mean that this person felt that there were locations in suitable habitat that warranted bypassing all others to set it. 50 miles here takes you across 2 counties and considering the 7 mile range findings would have you bypassing many many coyotes in my part of the state. Rereading my post, the 7 to 1 statement sounds like I'm trying to validate the 7 mile range findings. Not my intent. Just wondering how far out others range in relationship to miles driven. I am expanding my own range considerably this year to increase my take, hopefully considerably. Seldom, anyone trapping coyotes has to be doing for the enjoyment cause it sure ain't for the money!
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Post by bogio on Jul 19, 2012 9:17:46 GMT -6
In rereading previous threads of late, 2 statements jumped out and have me wondering. First was that some would rather drive 50 miles to set a killer spot, bypassing lesser locations. Secound was that midwest coyotes have been shown to have ranges they inhabit of about 7 miles. In looking at my own line, I'm was surprised to find that miles driven to maintain line vs. actual miles out as the crow flies was a 7 to 1 ratio. Very little back tracking but a lot of winding back and forth.
Is any one operating in midwest or eastern areas driving anywhere near 50 miles to set a location and if so why? I can understand that if you live in one of the "black desert" areas you will have to travel to get into suitable habitat but once there, is anyone spreading themselves out to this extent?
Tman and Zagman have both indicated miles per day. How do your miles driven compare to miles out from base as the crow flies? How about you Seldom? Anyone else.
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Post by bogio on Jul 9, 2012 15:38:26 GMT -6
A neighbor has been having quite abit of trouble with coon this year raiding/tearing down his bird feeders, digging in his flowers, eating his pet food, etc. The usual.
They took a weeks vacation a few days ago. His wife left the window above the kitchen sink open with no screen on it and an antennae pole running up the outside next to it. The coons had one full week of unlimited access to these poor folks home! From what I hear it was a complete ransack job with poop and pee for good measure.
Reminds me of the insurance commercials with the guy named MAYHEM!
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Post by bogio on Jul 8, 2012 21:46:44 GMT -6
Do you think that an individuals methods can influence the effectiveness of lure, even those in that class above and beyond the norm?
Said another way, can two accomplished trappers working in the same general area, use the same top shelf attractor and draw different conclusions concerning it's effectiveness because of their own individual setting/application techniques?
I say yes, which is why I believe you have to prove products on your own line in your own way.
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Post by bogio on Jul 8, 2012 21:29:44 GMT -6
ChrisM,
The coyotes not leaving the home territory even to kill sheep. Is that a constant or dependent on a neighboring/maintained territory butting up to theirs? Are there coyotes maintaining an opposing line on the northside of that road?
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Post by bogio on Jul 7, 2012 19:48:20 GMT -6
Musher,
I'll concede that you're not going to kill him if there is no trap present or it is out of commission. Hopefully, that attractor that caused his interest the first time will trip his trigger a secound time. If not, then a secound, different attractor will hopefully do the trick. My point was directed more towards a coyote encountering a working/operational set for the first time.
Does there have to be an edible reward for the animal for find satifaction in his actions? Can't the smell/odor/stink in an of it self sometimes be enough? Odors that cause a rolling reaction make most canines smile if they can get them smeared all over themselves. Odors that bring about urination/defecation/kick back responses seem to bring an element of satifaction to them.
TC,
I think you misinterpeted my original intent. I wasn't stating that OGs products are the end all as they are not. The results I receive with them is what I use to establish my standard/base for comparison of products I'm trying out. No product is the best for all people in all situations. Just doesn't work that way.
"Lure Whores" is a term a friend and I use to describe ourselves in that although we have established products that we have faith in and receive good results from we continue to "whore around" with new ones to see what we can find. As a result, we both have alot of stuff on hand. Alot of it marginal at best in our situations.
My interest was in whether or not others participate in this kind of behavior. Or have they found what they feel they need and abandoned the search?
A reliable source says to try the SW Iowa connection. Only time on my line with my methods will prove if they are right for me or not.
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Post by bogio on Jul 6, 2012 22:34:04 GMT -6
I'm going to side with Seldom here. Lures or combos that work seem to continue to work consistently year after year here. Sometimes it takes a little experimenting to find what seems to be the best time in the course of the season to use them. My go to combo works pretty consistently through the entire fall/winter. Two other combinations are rather lackluster early but shine hard after the first of the year.
If you can kill them on their first encounter, there is no habituation. That's my goal.
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Post by bogio on Jul 6, 2012 14:25:53 GMT -6
ChrisM,
On the "Why not every night?"
In this part of the country, farmer/rancher interaction with their livestock is most times daily, at most every 2 to 3 days, and generally the extended checks involve mature cattle. Is it possible that the coyotes when feeding pups are able to meet the demands put on them for a few days without visiting an area of high human activity, then they have to make a "run" to get ahead of the game?
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Post by bogio on Jul 6, 2012 13:27:21 GMT -6
Talking coyotes.
If you put it in relationship terms, OGs products are my "old lady". If limited to one product line, that would be it.I've picked up 2 other mistresses, one from another Montana supplier, and one from Canada.
Most years I take on a girl friend or two. They never seem to last. This year I plan to date some out of SW Iowa. I have high hopes.
Are most of you monogamous or do you step out on your attractors? And what standard do you hold it to to become a commitment?
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Post by bogio on Jul 6, 2012 13:16:52 GMT -6
Think I remember MJ talking about a placenta based lure he used.
Of course it only caught alpha coyotes.
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Post by bogio on Jul 5, 2012 21:09:33 GMT -6
How was the den finally located? Image that was a frustrating task. Congrats!!
Just a single adult or a pair? Assume the den is in puppy heaven now?
Tman
Just watched the clip for your catch. Those your flip flops or Lori's?
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