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Post by FWS on Mar 9, 2008 8:57:17 GMT -6
Or not. Maybe it's just a matter of time.
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Post by gunny on Mar 9, 2008 9:59:40 GMT -6
There is a big push to ban bobcat trapping by NR.
Look how well its worked for Nevada.
Nevada has its chit together when it comes to trapping.
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Post by monstertom on Mar 9, 2008 10:18:33 GMT -6
Will be curios come fall where all the eastern/mid western guys think they will go for all these high dollar cats CO.,AZ,CA, cages only- UT,OR, small limits,-NV, MT, no-NR trapping if this goes through maybe I need to buy some motels in IDAHO.
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Post by FWS on Mar 9, 2008 10:35:08 GMT -6
ID is reciprocal so most of the Eastern and Midwestern guys can't trap cats there.
CA is reciprocal as well, in addition to cages only.
Gunny, I've wondered how long NM would allow NR's to take cats, or at the very least be non reciprocal.
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Post by Danny Clifton on Mar 9, 2008 11:02:10 GMT -6
Where you coming up with stuff FWS? Back in Dec. I talked to the folks at a regional fish and game office, in N.M. I was told there are no changes being considered.
Ks. is making a ton of money off nonresident deer and bird hunters who buy a single bobcat tag. The tag is much cheaper than a furharvester license and allows them to shoot and mount a bobcat while hunting. I don't see that changing anytime soon either.
N.M. Wy. Id. all have country so remote, winters so brutal, that trappers can't access it in late winter. At least not with very many traps. Might be a few willing to go in on horseback early, or snowmobile, live in a tent etc when it gets down below 0 but not many. Cat populations are not threatened.
Here in Ks there is very little public trapping. There are always going to be a few folks who won't allow anyone to harvest wildlife. These two things alone guarantee our cat population isn't threatened.
As to Nv. and Mt. I've no clue why they won't allow NR trapping. Just like Wy Id and N.M. those states are full of rough, remote country. Ain't many folks going to make the effort. At least not twice.
California has the most ignorant citizens in the world. Good grief they would rather let mt lions eat endangered sheep and children than allow any control. I'm surprised there are no efforts there to cage cougars and attempt to train them how to eat tofu.
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Post by Cliffdweller on Mar 9, 2008 11:04:55 GMT -6
Wyoming already has a reciprocal trapping law.
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Post by JWarren on Mar 9, 2008 11:08:54 GMT -6
Cliffdweller is a good friend of mine but why can a guy from denver come trap WY freely when I can't trap a marten at all in CO?
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Mar 9, 2008 11:14:53 GMT -6
Because nobody has true reciprocity.
Joel
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 9, 2008 11:15:37 GMT -6
wyoming is reciprocal, but not as to species, season dates limits etc. . if wyo can trap in your state under your laws , cats available or not, then you can trap in wyming WITH cats allowed.
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Post by FWS on Mar 9, 2008 11:18:39 GMT -6
Better go back and read it again, it's tongue in cheek to generate discussion on the subject matter.
Speaking of ignorance, in neither case are you correct. CA does indeed allow for control of depredating lions and that take is roughly triple of what the legal hunter take of lions was when CA last had a season.
What we don't have in CA is a legal take by recreational hunters and even if we did it would do little if anything to mitigate the depredations on humans, livestock or desert bighorns.
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Post by Danny Clifton on Mar 9, 2008 11:19:33 GMT -6
I don't have a problem at all with reciprocity. I think Co residents sghould also be limited to cage traps in Wy.
This aint the first time in the history of the world that cat prices got high. Its no reason to get nervous or greedy. if you do get a little competition on your cat line how much will it effect you? If you've been trapping there any length of time at all you ought to be able to out produce anyone else for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is knowledge of the terrain and locations that consistantly produce fur.
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Post by FWS on Mar 9, 2008 11:25:26 GMT -6
It can affect you quite a lot in the West on public lands. I recall counting 22 NR's trapping in one area of CA back in the 80's.
They needed traffic signals on the back roads around Bagdad AZ back then too. ;D
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Post by trappnman on Mar 9, 2008 11:26:02 GMT -6
Reciprocity is a good concept, a very good concept. What has happened though, is the concept has been taken and stretched to the point where its original idea has been lost.
Reciprocity was simple- if I can't BUY a lic in your state, YOU cannot buy one in mine.
Short, plain spoken, no loopholes...
but in many states, every possible loophole under the sun as been examined and introduced- so that the term is no a joke in most places..
lets see.. you got to start later, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't tag this yo can't tag that.
put in, in 99% of the cases- by the trappers associations of the individual states. Yes, the dnr is responsible for SOME, but a small amount.
Put any motive on it you wish- it doesn't change the reasoning.
States like KS, MO, many others- I commend them- there, its you buy a lic- come in and trap.
thats my view on NR- NO reciprocity- you want to pay the lic fee- come in and trap.
no ifs ands or buts- same rules I operate under, same seasons, etc.
Follow MN law- and I'm a happy camper.
I hope to see my state, MN, join those states.
after all, its the right thing to do.
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Post by bobwendt on Mar 9, 2008 11:33:12 GMT -6
I laugh at the audacity of some states to say they allow non residents but they can`t trap cats or greys, basically just coyotes. well duhhh, most folks have to pay someone to do that, not the other way around.
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Post by Yancy on Mar 9, 2008 11:36:37 GMT -6
Bob are you trying to start a fuss? Yancy
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Post by foxcatcher1 on Mar 9, 2008 11:40:58 GMT -6
Thats right Steve. I was looking in to going out west but dam if you can find a place to trap. Yes they ALL want you to come out and catch thier stinkin ass coyotes but don't take our cats or grey foxes.
Don
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Post by Cliffdweller on Mar 9, 2008 11:47:08 GMT -6
JWarren,
You can come to Colorado and take pine marten if you buy a license. Colorado is not a reciprocal state and is open to anybody that wants to come. This year you will have to use a crossbow, rifle or shotgun to take marten or mink. I 'm not sure if you have to shoot them coming in to the trap or when they are leaving.
Wyoming's reciprocal law is very specific. If a nonresident trapper wants to trap a particular species in Wyoming their home state can not exclude nonresidents from trapping that species while allowing resident trappers to take that species. I lived in Wyoming when the law was passed. Montana and South Dakota both discriminate against nonresident trappers in regards to trapping bobcats. There were some WY trappers that didn't like trappers from these states coming in to trap bobcats and they had reciprocal law passed in the legislature.
The last bobcat harvest figures I checked for WY was about 3300 bobcats total. 200 bobcats were harvested by NR trappers and hunters. So I would say most of the competition is other resident trappers not non residents. I feel like reciprocal laws are just another form of anti trapping law.
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Post by JWarren on Mar 9, 2008 11:47:23 GMT -6
I laugh at the audacity of some states to say they allow non residents but they can`t trap cats or greys, basically just coyotes. well duhhh, most folks have to pay someone to do that, not the other way around. thats because you live in a state with junk fur of mainly coons and coyotes, of course your going to see things the way you do
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Post by trappnman on Mar 9, 2008 12:02:08 GMT -6
junk fur?
800-900 mink possible?
rats in them any hundreds? best freaking coon in the world
best beaver- plus cats, otter, martin and fisher.
shut off WY to all non residents for eveything- fishing, hunting, trapping.
after all, don't want us taking your good fur....
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Post by robertw on Mar 9, 2008 12:13:11 GMT -6
The days of trapping in New Mexico are probably limited anyway. There are a lot of Anti's in the Santa Fe and Albuquerque areas.
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