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Post by 17kiss on Jan 19, 2004 19:08:57 GMT -6
Tried 1/2 dozen last year,not impressed. Pan leaves alot to be desired. Tension hard to adjust. dead spot for about 1/3 of pan , so eliminates the kill area of such a nice big pan.
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Post by 17kiss on Jan 19, 2004 19:10:53 GMT -6
Terry , why do you have to inside laminate #3s to be legal in Pa.? 6.5 in jaw spread? Did I miss something or am I just being my usual outlaw self?
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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 19, 2004 19:11:03 GMT -6
Mike, if you like dogless, the #3 Montana Specials should be available real soon.
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Post by coyote on Jan 19, 2004 19:34:01 GMT -6
Mike,
I've got an MB650 if you want to see one.
haven't used it.
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Post by mike692 on Jan 19, 2004 20:16:24 GMT -6
DJ,
No experience with dogless traps. I'd like to "test" a few though.
Don, I would like to see that trap. Maybe when you bring that coon over?
17kiss,
Did you make any catches in the ones you set?
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Post by PAMINK on Jan 19, 2004 20:24:03 GMT -6
Kiss A stock #3 Bridger is already 6 - 1/2 inches. Any outside lams will automatically put you out of the legal limit. ;D Terry
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Post by coyote on Jan 19, 2004 20:42:47 GMT -6
no problem, Mike.
I have some # 2 dogless Monty's that I DO use, too. you want to look at one of them, also?
how did you make out on 'yote prices? email, if you don't mind telling. I finished up mine...they're drying now.
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Post by 17kiss on Jan 19, 2004 20:44:20 GMT -6
I see. Thought you meant would have to laminate to make legal. Is not that inside spread that they go by? Hope so cause i o/s laminated a dozen already Mike , only had them out in late season last year. Had k9s walk all over. then I read somewher about the pan , so I checked it myself. Bummer to waste that big a pan. I played with them a little then sold them. You can get fully modified 3s chaeper and in my opinion alot easier to work with. Not gospel , just my opinion.
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Post by PAMINK on Jan 19, 2004 20:53:47 GMT -6
17 Kiss They measure outside to outside, parallel with the dog. It won't put you over by much but if you have a warden in a bad mood with a tape measure?? Terry
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Post by briankroberts on Jan 19, 2004 21:27:00 GMT -6
I use some of the mb 650's and the best way I've found to use them is to not remove the wax from the trigger system and loosen the pan to where it just stands on its own weight. Steve asked how guys were modifing #3's, well I did a couple of dozen 4 sleepy creek coils this year( 6 1/2" outside jaw spread) Here's what I did to them, inside laminated with either 3/16" round stock or 3/16" square stock, then brush all jaw faces with a wire wheel on the grinder ( this is standard for me on all canine traps) , These traps already have a second baseplate riveted on and center swiveled, JC Connors taos lightning springs, replace swivels and ad a third with MB crunch proof swivels, add a JC Connors shock spring, replace the dog with a paws-i-trip dog( pan is already a paws-i-trip type) , strengthen the dog with a piece of 1/8" square stock welded on it( had several bent up this year and lastly take off the 9" of twist link chain and replace it with 3 links of No. 3 welded link chain. That way I can roll a trap tag around the chain link as I'm tired of feeding them to the Yotes. Also by removing this chain and shorening it it will make the whole chain, swivel,shock spring length about 12" instead of 17". All the catches with the traps were compareable to a bridger No.2 but with a larger kill area using the wire screen covers. These worked real well in step downs.....B..... This year I will do 2 more things to these traps
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Post by z on Jan 20, 2004 6:06:55 GMT -6
brian, do you really think a shock spring was needed on such a stoutly springed trap as an mb-650? 12" of chain with shockspring? tell me why? reason i ask is coyotes just sitting in catch circle will have spring bottomed out looking at you so my ? is......what are they doing for me on a short chained trap? if it came on the trap i will say fine.....but i see no reason to add more weight and hardware to a powerful short chained rig but.......each his own. this season adding a few dozen bridger #3's, inside lamination, baseplate, lightweight taos helpers stock chain with just 2 sterlings. clean em' wax em' run em! Z
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Post by mike692 on Jan 20, 2004 7:27:38 GMT -6
Don,
22 dollars. That was the top price he was paying. I was satisfied because it wasn't a very good color. Got almost 20 dollars for December grey fox. He dropped his top coon price to 13. That price on grey's makes me want to get the caller out. If only the wind would stop blowing.
BTW, this is another excellent thread. Thanks for the info on the MB650. MTP also sells fully modified Bridger 2s and 3s for less. Unless I learn how to weld in the next 6 months, that's probably the route I'll take. ;D
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Post by briankroberts on Jan 20, 2004 8:12:30 GMT -6
Z they may have not helped much, I wanted to try them and see. I have noticed that JC's shock springs are a lot stouter than some others I have used. The No. 3's like you are using them with the inside lamination sound pretty good , I've been thinkin bout getting some of those. How do you like them and are they comparable to the No. 2's as far as damage goes. I was also thinking about inside lamination as in IL its 6 1/2" jaw spread and I can't get a straight answer on wether its inside or out side, bet If I had some in the ground that were over 6 1/2" outside I'd get more than a straight answer. I have been thinking about using some just for the added jaw spread, even with the inside lamination they'ed still be 6 1/8" inside right???.....B.....
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Post by trappnman on Jan 20, 2004 8:25:11 GMT -6
What is the best type of laminations? Rolled stock or flat stock?
I have a couple of traps that have 1/4 flat stock as laminations- and these seem the best aka damage.
I have heard some say that flat stock slows the trap down- but with Taos 4 coils on it- can't see that that would be much of a factor.
I only own 2 traps with shock springs- the trap you gave me Z and an old Montgomery sign by Jim himself.....
With short chains, I haven't been able to see a reason to put them on more traps-
I'd have to say that I can only see using them on longer chains....right or wrong?
I just can't see how I can go to#3 here- just a personal decision. But I have convinced myself to get more of the #2 Bridgers- maybe try out a few doz if I have any money left from changing all my chains...LOL
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Post by dj88ryr on Jan 20, 2004 9:10:22 GMT -6
Speaking of chain, weren't we all going to get together to try to do a cooperative buy on chain?
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Post by Wackyquacker on Jan 20, 2004 9:33:32 GMT -6
Steve, with the BMP's for the Eastern Coyote in hand I modified all my coils to those standards (why not?) The lack of foot damage is remarkable! That goes for Bridgers #2 & #3s as well as Old Monty Rd jaws or dogless. The lamination is the key. I say this since the few #3 Dbls (Chet likes these) that are out have ALL shown significant increases in foot trama...these are not modified. Now, I have to have 3/16 offsets and I did four coil (for frost and mud) and of course base plated but I still think its mostly the lamination.
Just saw your post...I use hot rolled round either 3/16 on double laminations or small (1 3/4) traps or 1/4 on singles lams. The stuff is inexpensive and very easy to cut andapply (the heat of the inital weld allows you to form on round jaws with a pair of vise grips or pliers). I have a few with flat lams and can see no reason, unless you have a pile of it laying around.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jan 20, 2004 9:35:50 GMT -6
I have a few #2 Bridgers which I use and like. They are stock out of the box. I did totally modify one the other week and may do it to more but it TAKES FOREVER!!! 1/4" by 1/4" cold rolled square stock outside laminations with 4 weld points with the welds on the ends "formed" to the shape of the offset Jaws ground and sanded as well as the welds on the lams Tapered the point where the offsets are cut in with a bench grinder and filed smooth Jaw tips bubbled with welder 3/16" baseplate that is notched on grinder to accept Bridger rivets and uses the existing chain setup - - welded at ends and crossframe 3 swivels with a Conner shock spring in the middle (to be used to help bed the loose jaw) with stock Bridger chain, about 18" total I plan on adding a 4 coil kit and drilling out the pan post and shank too. I don't know how it'll work but it looks damn cool!
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Post by TimW on Jan 20, 2004 10:53:30 GMT -6
I just bought a 1/2 dozen of these traps & I really like what I see so far. I was considering adding extra springs, but I do not think I need to. The 2 coils that are on them are extremely strong.
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Post by 17kiss on Jan 20, 2004 11:59:10 GMT -6
I don't know how it'll work but it looks damn cool! [/quote] Lmfao Hey Cd, remember to step up another size machine screws when doing Bridger 2s and 3s . Bought a hundred and they were same size as waht is in them now.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jan 20, 2004 13:28:06 GMT -6
Yeah, I believe the size I need is a #12. 7/32 drill bit.
Did you notice a big difference in pan creep after replacing the bolts, Kiss?
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