Michael Savage On Fur

[FWS]

Anyone else listen to this dude today with his rant on fur from China ? Calling for an import ban on Chinese or Korean fur products. This after viewing a video put out by HSUS and their reports of 'dog fur' being used, he got suckered.

Here's the story that set him off,

Investigation Finds 'Faux Fur' Often Dog Hair
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(CBS) CHICAGO Before you go shopping for a coat, check the label. Think you know what you're getting? A shocking new report says you may want to think again.

The Humane Society of the United States analyzed coats found at major chain stores across the country. As CBS 2's Suzanne LeMignot reports, the animal rights group accuses several retailers of false advertising.

Some dog owners can't imagine that the fur of a dog could end up lining the hood of a coat.

An undercover video from the Humane Society shows that raccoon dogs, a domesticated breed in China, are being used to make coats.

"I think that's terrible. Every dog owner I know would die for their dog pretty much,” said dog owner Justin Bouchard.

"Why would anybody want their pet around their neck?” said Diane Webber of the Humane Society of the United States.

Humane Society investigators found coats sold at a Burlington Coat Factory in Virginia had labels saying the fur wasn't real. In one case, the label said “nylon coyote fur.” Coats were also purchased at Lord and Taylor and Macy's.

"There were 25 coats tested and out of the 25, 24 were positive for being positive for a species of dog, domesticated dog. And the one that is most prevalent is that raccoon dog,” Webber said.

The agency's investigation also found Web sites like shoptommy.com, and nordstrom.com, were selling designer coats and vests made with domesticated dog fur.

"Part of the problem comes from the fact that manufacturers are looking for the materials anywhere they can get them, as cheap as they can get them and unfortunately, for the majority, they're coming out of China because there's virtually no animal welfare regulations in place in China,” Webber said.

Tommy Hilfiger and Burlington Coat Factory did not call back with a response to this story

[bobwendt]

the stupid sob. a raccoon dog is a wild animal similar to a coon that is native to china. they aren`t even a canine. they do ranch raise them tho, like we do mink etc. but they aren`t domestic or tame or even tame-able.

[FWS]

"There were 25 coats tested and out of the 25, 24 were positive for being positive for a species of dog, domesticated dog. And the one that is most prevalent is that raccoon dog,”

HSUS is relying on pure ignorance on this issue (as usual) to try to create reactionary legislation.

While the Raccoon Dog is a member of the Family Canidae they're not closely related to domestic dogs. Coyotes and gray wolves are in the Genus Canis along with the domestic dog Canis lupus familiaris , matter of fact the DNA makeup of wolves and dogs is almost identical.

So how will a bill be worded to exclude the various members of Canidae and Felidae (cats) ?

So arm yourselves with more information,

Here's a species profile from the IUCN Canid Specialist Group,

Raccoon Dog (Nyctereutes procyonoides)

And from the profile from the University of Michigan Museum of Zoology.

And here's a 'raccoon dog',

[FWS]

they aren`t even a canine.

Bob, they are a member of Canidae, but they're unique and not closely related to dogs as I pointed out above and provided links for.

But they're not pets and are trapped in many countries and aren't even indigenous to many countries where they are harvested. Very commonly farmed throughout Eurasia.

[MartyPhipps]

I heard it too.

he got suckered

agree.

[bobwendt]

I thought they were procyan, like bears and coons. matbe I`m wrong. but if so, so. about like calling bobcats housecats

[FWS]

Lot of people got suckered on this one, but that's what it's about.

Raccoon dog pelts are very nice, seen em', and honestly if consumers are getting trim on a jacket from that is raccoon dog they're getting a damn good deal over faux fur.

[bobwendt]

it looks like dark heavy huge mn/dakota type coon fur. about same length, color and density.

[Ross]

This is how they breed them.




Gots his Momma's eyes.

[FWS]

I thought they were procyan

Nope, they have their own unique Genus Nyctereutes, of which they are the only member, which is in the Family Canidae

[mike692]

Savage is a jack ass. I can't stand the guy.

Last time I listened he was ranting about hunting elelphants.

[akona20]

A similar thread ran a few days ago.

Goes to show how gullible talking heads are and how stupid networks are to allow this sort of lie to ever surface.

Makes you think about everything else they report doesn't it.

[seldom]

Listened to him last night and he mentioned a video showing a fella skinning them alive. I googled "raccoon dog video" and he wasn't bs'ing, it's there. The start of the skinning, the entire process, and the finish all while the animal is alive.

[FWS]

The start of the skinning, the entire process, and the finish all while the animal is alive.

Greenpeace got busted in Canada years ago for staging a scene in which a harp seal was skinned alive. Yet that footage is still used to this day, 30 years later.

There've been other incidents where this has been done too, I was present when one was exposed as a fake on fisherman harpooning dolphins for crab bait in Venezuela. They staged it, no question about it. Even went so far as the anti handing the guy the knife to cut it up alive. A copy of the whole video surfaced after the selected bits and pieces were being used. The kicker was that the anti who was heading up the campaign was the guy in the video and it was he who harpooned the dolphin because the drunken local they hired to play the part of the evil fisherman couldn't do it.

So any tape, and I have seen what you have, should be viewed with suspicion.

Why skin an animal alive ? What's the benefit to that ?

[mike692]

fws said:

Why skin an animal alive ? What's the benefit to that ?

Exactly. I recently had a discussion with a lady who's anti-fur. She told me all about how fur farmers hook up electrodes to their animals genitals to dispatch them. I asked her if she thought it would be easier just to pull them out and knock them in the head.
;D

[akona20]

How do you get videos like this?

A pay some poor fool a few hundred dollars to do your bidding then you announce it to the world that it is a widespread practice.

Can't wait to see the cooking of shrimp outlawed because they go live into the pot.

Time to start some real action against idiot 'reporters' who get paid for lying informationals.

[FWS]

Time to start some real action against idiot 'reporters'

Probably the best way to accomplish that is to empower their peers with a better story, such as an expose' on fraudulent videos.

ABC, CBS, CNN and the print media had great fun at the expense of NBC when it was uncovered that NBC personell had used toy rocket motors to 'enhance' the explosive effects of gas tanks on GM trucks for a Dateline NBC segment.

And there is already a movement afoot to ban the sale and cooking of live shellfish.

[dabrock]

HSUS never mention the 1000's of poor little dogs and cats they murder every year and toss into an incenerator.Maybe some videos
of them doing such would be a good move. Ofcourse they murder them humainly.